I know, right?
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I imagine if the Nazi advance into France had stalled and become a bloodbath Hitler would have felt some pushback from home. There's a quote from the beginning of the book The Nazi Doctors from a Holocaust survivor that I've always remembered: "This world is not this world". What you see as civilization is a knife's blade away from barbarism and what we see and take heart in is an illusion. Germany was not a third world country after WW1. It was "civilized". I've heard any number of statements from people I've known over the years from fellow Americans that have made me think they'd be ever so willing to stand by American barbarism that even you would be willing to describe as barbarism. You are naive.

... that very situation happened but instead of France it was Russia. I'll let you guess how that changed German foreign policy.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019...rned-to-stone/

Doctors excavated from the man's right nasal cavity a 19mm×11mm rock-hard mass—the calcified remains of a small amount of marijuana he tried to smuggle into prison a startling 18 years earlier.

I've read at least 3 books where a chapter ended with this very sentence.



Chick-Fil-A heavily promotes 'National Sandwich Day' which is November 3rd.
November 3rd is a Sunday.

https://people.com/food/chick-fil-a-...-sandwich-day/

They're probably just calling each other gaping assholes.

I like how Instagram is just assumed to be disinformation.

Lol that video is full of ****. He says that it is a false claim that Google manipulated search results in favor of Clinton, but Robert Epstein already proved that they did.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

You should read the beautiful tweetstorm he hailed Hillary with after she slandered him. It was magnificent. :tramp:

It's more fun reading what his peers say about him. :laughing:

#hoesmad

So bored of this scandal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...outputType=amp

Florida Man Becomes Holocaust Denier High School Principal

Welllll, the Holocaust is a little fishy. :p:

I definitely believe the Holocaust happened, but there is something peculiar about the Jews. I mean you strip an entire people of everything and 10 years later they have all the gold again.

I know that but pragmatically speaking the game continues with or without us. If we abstain completely that likely means living under the heel of another super power that replaces us.

Now that's ****ing nihilism. Acting morally is not in our best interest so we do not act morally? Why not just stop producing if we're going to settle for empty, robotic pragmatism?

The world is not a friendly place. Everyone is self interested.

Bro, if humankind were capable of living like that we wouldn't have invented religion. The human race is ****ing crazy with churches on every block cause we can't reconcile morality with pragmatism.

Capable of living like what? I don't understand you.

Capable of living off pure self-interest. You also have to have this convoluted, nonsensical concept called "morality" to convince people that life has meaning and value and purpose aside from their biological imperative.

Ooops.

Alright

1) You're instantly taking it to a philosophical level, but when I said "everyone is self interested" it was in the context of the discussion we were having, which is geopolitics. Every nation state has an agenda that is largely based around pursuing strategic interests for that nation state.

2) I believe that morality is a function of biology just like every other influence on human behavior. Also, the reason we have religion goes beyond morality.

I don't think I made such a logical leap that you can't follow it without some pussyass evasion. Yes morality evolved to keep people from murdering, stealing, and being rude to each other for the sake of survivability. But the human mind is too complex for morality to stay so simplistic without seeing right through the illusion which is why morality became as convoluted as people are and evolved into things like religion and arcane honor codes and modernism and post-modernism.

This place hurts my ****ing head sometimes. WTF point are you folks trying to arrive at?

Humans were ****ed as soon as they learned the word "why".

It's not an evasion, it's keeping the statement in context.

I was referring to the actions of nation States as we were having a discussion on American foreign policy. I wasn't saying that humans are incapable of altruism on an individual level. That's an important distinction to me.

Since we evolved in tribes, we naturally have instincts for maintaining order within a society. We are far less biologically developed at maintaining order between different competing societies. That is why things that would be considered unforgivable within the tribe are tolerated when at war with a rival tribe.

And again, morality is an aspect of religion and philosophy. One among many. Religion and philosophy are not derived from morality though. It is merely one source of insight among many.

take an Ambien and hit the sack

If we could all become one big NWO conglomerate that would be best for world peace

But that's a risky endeavor

why the **** can't i post?

My point (evolved from various other posts in a conversation from days ago that I'm not going to track down) is that you can't sit in your armchair and just play chess across the world because it removes the visceral moral element from your decision making as you have no connection to the places you're attempting to make decisions for. I mean you can but invariably the inhuman results of your decisions have consequences for real people who are not pieces on a chessboard and the result is the quagmire of death, genocide, oppression, and exploitation that has been the world for thousands of years.

There are nice, normal, non-sociopathic people right here who are voicing opinions they think are just and good that influence public policy that result in horrors thousands of miles away and to view that as simply the way things are and always will be and thus we should just accept it is for those nice normal people to shed their nice normality and become unfeeling robots who under no circumstances will ever care about the consequences of their country's actions. Our nice normal people can be ****s but they still hope for a world where their opinions they voice to our leaders result in a better world for everyone and if we're not working towards that in some ****ing way we might as well give up this whole human experiment right now.

3 Benadryl two hours before bed, but it's much too early.

Oh, and...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...riumposter.jpg

... Is this is response to me?

Yeah I guess so. I was trying to respond to Chula about the point I was making with a bunch of quotes of the conversation up till now but it wouldn't let me post so I deleted all the quotes and posted that cause I wasn't about to waste it or alter it after all that time I spent on it. Salvage it as you will.

I don't think you are fully recognizing how cut throat the world is

You say you can't make decisions from a distance that affect real people. The reality is, you can't not do that and still expect to compete and prosper.


It's not as much of a choice as you present it. There is no global monopoly of force. Any weakness you present can (and probably will) be exploited by other players.

Look, A.) the human race is **** and I'm well aware of this, B.) choice is fake news, C.) but if the human race is going to survive as a morally evolving species and not stagnate into a nihilistic race of morlocks who eventually come to finally realize that morality is a lie and they have no future as caring lifeforms then this whole realpolitik foreign policy schtick is not something to be embraced, it is to be seen as an existential enemy the same as nuclear weapons and global warming. I do not know how this is to be achieved but just accepting pragmatism is death. Like actual death at some point in the future. This is why I'm bringing up religion and convoluted morality and ****.

The impossibility of it all is why I’m both an anarchist and a fascist.

If you are unable to serve the "greater good", then serve yourself and those closest to you that you give two ****s about.

Do you see why I vacillate between decrying capitalism and amoral liberalism and mocking everything this society does?

I mean by that logic why don't I just murder you and take your **** and your imaginary Kenyan girlfriend? I think it would be pretty funny if I could get away with it in this context.

you're creating a moral imperative with no cohesive way to achieve it

It's very similar to tying a man up, murdering his wife in front of him, and then chastising him for not defending her

Sorry but "I don't know how" = you are proposing nothing but sentiment and well wishes.