You're not wrong or right because there's no objective standard for creepiness. If you find it creepy then that's that.

Personally I think that the difference between role playing and real incest is like the difference between fencing and a knife fight.

Its “incest” porn but i think it matters because the viewers reaction may be completely different knowing its real the same way we react to movie murder vs real murder. Are you just assuming everyone who roleplays is also okay with actual incest?

no I just think you know what I meant by incest porn in the first place and are splitting hairs to try to feign a point.

Honestly I'm starting to think he's a self-hating incest porn fan.

And you've always been so good at making a diagnosis

Seems like you're just clinging to the definition of what constitutes the genre of incest porn as a way to dismiss the relevancy of the majority of it being acting as opposed to legitimate incest.

I am pretty sure I acknowledged that it was role playing pages ago so when you come at me and nitpick a term like incest porn knowing I've made that distinction all along you're wasting my time

Im curious what your thoughts are about my other semi-incestual sexual situations.

As long as everybody consents play ball

I don’t get why sexual exploitation is considered worse than any other **** you have to do to survive.

It’s all evil. Washing dishes getting ****ed whatever.

I have a hard time understanding why some forms of oppression are accepted (having to scrub **** stains out of your bosses toilet everyday) and some aren’t (listening to your boss talk about your body parts). One person gets a huge #metoo ovation because she was humiliated once but the person who is humiliated everyday as a matter of course goes unrecognized

Is there any real evidence that watching porn is harmful (or beneficial)?

I look at porn everyday and it doesn’t change my real life sex behavior. Watching Hell’s Kitchen doesn’t change the way I cut fish either. Who is it that can’t compartmentalize?

I can't find that post but either way, it's a relevant component of the discussion that weakens your point when you dismiss it.

it wasn't a single post. It was a theme and even mini argument within the larger debate over whether a fantasy can be disturbing. Pretty sure if you read my posts correctly you would have known from page 1 I was not under the impression that the people in the porn are actually related.

You guys just wear me down by somehow splitting hairs over single words and phrases I use while not even comprehending the gist of my argument

That's why I've grown weary of this pass time. I just wasted half a day on this nonsense. **** me

What about my other scenarios? :(

At the risk of using a logical fallacy id just like to poiint out that when Frown, Bat, Elph, OH, and myself all agree on something your position has to be ****ed.

Nobody said the bolded, it's just that role playing and the audience's knowledge of that are relevant factors to consider when claiming that these incest videos are making sexuality more depraved.

*Performs a one man tango*

Nah you speak out both sides of your mouth with that ****. "It's not relevant." "I've already made that distinction." Pick one, mother****er.

Nah, sexual harassment can leave you feeling much more vulnerable, uncomfortable and unsafe compared to the average harassment of a **** job. Even then, having a humiliating job and being humiliated on a job are two different things.

The difference in the porn industry is that it lacks regulation and you get women lying about their age, women getting suckered into it, and women that are kidnapped and raped on camera. I'm sure the same thing happens to men too.

As for the taboo aspects of porn, I think as long as nobody is getting hurt it's probably more harmful to repress you sexuality than it is to explore it through pornography. With a few things that I think are a bigger sign of deeper issues such as women pretending to be children and extreme bdsm. I don't think either are causing the moral decay of society and I don't think society is less moral now than before. I think we're probably more moral now than before especially in being more open about sexuality. I think the evangelical Christians that harp on about the depravity of nudity and such are just as perverted as us but they keep it behind closed doors. Fuck that, they're the ones with the child fucking priests. Maybe if they were more open with their sexuality they wouldn't be so tempted to exploit young naive children who don't even know what's going on.

How much does this actually happen though? Don't get me wrong, the taboo of even treating pornography as a legitimate enterprise causes lawmakers to just ignore it and leave it a wild west ****hole just so they don't have their names on some pornography law, but does this really create an industry of rape and pedophilia or does it create an industry of extra special worker exploitation that should be solved by Marx rather than Chris Hansen?

It sounds like you're conflating sex trafficking with pornography, and while I'm sure sex trafficking and pornography overlap, I'm dubious that it's the calamity you're painting it as. I mean how many men kidnap women, rape them and film it, and then sell the evidence that would put them in jail for decades? Sounds like a severe niche that doesn't have much to do with the actual porn industry.

not really

Every time I get in an argument on here it's me vs everyone else, and you clearly can't even comprehend my point based on your responses

And **** your other scenarios.


once again if you actually followed the argument you would be aware that while I agree actual incest is more disturbing, I still find incest role play and the audience that gravitates towards it kinda creepy. This was literally established near the beginning of the argument when (i think) batlord pointed out is just role playing and I said as much to him then.



... I'm really tired of going in circles

I said it doesn't matter with regard to whether you call it incest porn, for reasons i spelled out. You and I literally already had this discussion where I said that to me even the fantasy is disturbing. You forgot that quickly?

I agree the priests should be more open about their sexuality and just join NAMBLA

I mean it's better than repressing it right

I think it's making certain trends more prevalent

Some of those trends I don't mind and some I find creepy. Incest fantasies, rape fantasies, scat, certain forms of humiliation... Yea I dunno but that **** seems ****ed up to me.

Not that I would condemn the person but maybe they need therapy or some ****

Beastiatlity, necrophiles... Even more twisted

Pedophiles.. just kill them tbh

No, I'm not confusing the two I'm just pointing out the overlap that I think you underestimate. It's not just raping women on camera, it's forcing women to do porn on camera. Which is still rape, just not as you're picturing it.

That’s well-written and I think most will agree with you but I don’t. I think by far the real brutality and debasement is in the status quo. It’s the acceptance of the status quo that makes life not worth living.

Forced by what consequence for failing to comply?

You missed the point.

I think that if they weren't so sexually repressed they wouldn't turn to children out of sexual frustration. The amount of priests that are pedophiles is just too high to be normal so there has to be something about being a priest that causes it. I think it's sexual repression, personally.

Is ****ing a furry bestiality?

well yea but that's probably part of why a lot of them wouldn't be open cause they don't wanna be cockblocked lol

Also not sure what actual help there is for them beyond basically strategies at repressing those urges

Or maybe it’s not always exploitative

Maybe we’re ridiculously pious and hysterical about it

or it could be that the position attracts pedos

Not sure why sexual repression specifically would make you like little boys

The same force that keeps sex trafficking alive. Some are threatened with literal violence, some are tricked into it and intimidated into it, some are tricked into contracts.

ding ding ding

I knew if we kept this argument going long enough someone would come in and defend the pedos

I think being a priest is the ideal profession for a pedo.

Well that's boring.. and yeah, im not real invested in your subjective opinions about sexual morality. I joined in mid convo, skimmed your boring positions, and slung half ass responses to entertain myself while at work.

I am interested to know where your depravity meter ranks mother/daughter threesomes and 2 bros 1 girl.

what a ***

It gets grosser the older you get.

I feel like only oral gets more disgusting with age. My dick cant tell the difference.

that's precisely why I'm not answering your question

You waste my time with your half assed stoner tactics and then want me to answer random questions on demand? What do you think I'm here to amuse you?!

Could be that it attracts pedophiles.

If you think I'm saying being sexually repressed makes priests attracted to little boys rather than it makes them **** little boys we're on two different wave lengths.

I dont smoke and yes, we are all here to amuse each other.

I mean why little boys though instead of just a hooker

I really don't think most priests are repressed heteros

They're usual repressed gays or pedos, or maybe asexual


There's something about a man who joins that position in the first place. And then the power dynamic with the altar boys... Pretty much a perfect recipe for molestation

You've seen the same thing with many teachers, coaches, etc

Well if I'm underestimating it then there must be statistics you're aware of on this or we're both just guessing. I'm just guessing. I'm sure it's a thing but I'm just dubious that it's a thing to use to attack porn as a hole. Heh.

I agree with you to a certain extent but sexual harassment and sex crimes would exist with or without capitalism and so both must be dealt with on their own terms, but the combination of the two must definitely be considered because they overlap heavily. I think your position is basically frustrated that the two are dealt with in a way that demonizes sexual harassment and sex crimes but gives capitalism an eternal pass, but you can still be open to hating both together and separately.

I'm really not trying to white knight priests and religion but I think the general perception that the priesthood attracts pedophiles is based on the reporting of pedophiles in the Catholic Church, which is really more based on the the Catholic Church covering up crimes from the top which feels like a betrayal of what people think religion should stand for and so it gets coverage in the same way that political corruption does. You'd need to look up actual statistics on priesthood pedophilia rates vs. rates of pedophilia in the general population to make the statement you're making though I'm not arguing that it would come up 50/50.

Everyone else on MB: *breaks their scrolling wheels*