if it's a false dichotomy which option am I leaving out?

Yeah see that I can totally agree with. It's j-dubs harping on about this or that fetish being creepy that makes it seem like he's personalizing the issue so that it's "I'm imagining the kind of people who watch this stuff and having an anecdotal reaction to it and then extrapolating that reaction to society as a whole" rather than being objective like "I think the way we consume porn is psychologically unhealthy for society and perhaps this or that fetish proliferating is a byproduct of that".

You were asking what I was arguing and you left out what I was actually arguing despite my explicitly telling you what my argument was.

Maybe it's not the healthiest thing but maybe it's also not the end of the world so meh do what you want.

You used Christian arguments about sex to compare to my argument in order to discredit it.

Those arguments were essentially the slippery slope argument. If you let x happen then y z will follow.

I'm admitting it's that type of argument. I just pointed out that in the case of the Christians and their sexual morality disintegrating over time, that slippery slope came true.

I basically said maybe I was being hyperbolic initially but I feel it's having a negative affect.

Very true, I used your arguments to discredit your arguments.

Correlation equals causation, can't argue with science. Might as well prepare for the incest wave so that you're ready for it when it hits.

I don't think you can go from "it's evil" to "I'm ambivalent" unless you don't actually care and are just pretending to have strong opinions on the internet.

So can i go back to watching sloppy face**** videos without you judging me?

i personalize it to make it real. It's easy to get lost in abstraction but sexuality and sexual norms are more instinctual.

That's why I went through the process of having vwls confess that he indeed would have no problem with his brother banging his mom, which if I may say so probably the crowning achievement of this entire argument.

But i dont get off on incest porn. Not sure why thats an achievement. I mostly just watch femdom or guys dominating women(why doesnt this have a catchy name?). Power dynamics are really interesting and satisfying to me.

This is why gay people get curb stomped, you wonk.

The swiftness from which you jump from porn being evil to forcing people to confess to being okay with incest in their own family doesn't make this look like anything less than evangelical moral outrage btw.

In the case of sexual liberation and the declining prominence of Christian puritanical thinking on sex I think there's a argument to be made that a story of cultural feedback loop drove the trend.

1. You believe that pornography drove that trend?
2. Non-puritanical sexuality=depravity, defo making your case seem separate from Christian ethics my man.

Thanks I didn't know liberalism was cultural degeneracy.

Presumably feminism too.

Wouldnt your case have more weight if i liked incest porn? All you did was ask me to admit something taboo.

I said a few posts after the it's evil thing that I used it for affect but that it's probably having some negative affect.

You guys are really looking for every possible in road.

Dad: Put your shoes on.

5-year-old: I'm wearing my shoes.

Dad: *beats child to death with their own shoes*

are you serious?

1) no
2) by their metric of depravity, yes. I already addressed this ****.

This convo has been about 95% me being facetious.

So you believe that their sense of degeneracy is invalid, but it's comparable to your own?

that was just a joke at your expense my friend. I just find that be pretty ****ing weird.

Who cares about their metric of depravity? Im more interested in your metric.

I agree. Im pretty ****ing weird, not creepy though.

my morals are different from theirs so I don't care about the change. In fact I see it as progress in that case.

I don't feel the same way about incest porn.

I know who I'm PMing if I ever bang my cousin.

There is no incest porn. There is only roleplay incest porn on the websites youre using as examples. Thats quite different.

it was necessary for the point I was making.

Saying we're not going to continue to change our sexuality to a point we wouldn't even recognize is different from saying that the change will be good.

Not that this should matter to you, since incest is fine.

True but it should matter to you.

Its the least you could do after getting a free copy of sandman.

It matters a lot. Thank you vwls.

I mean you say that but youve continued to use the two interchangeably so im not sure it does.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the simultaneous destruction of sexuality and rise in legitimate incest to see if what you've been saying is right.

Okay, time for the real questions that need answers. How do you feel about a mother daughter combo ****ing someone at the same time but avoiding interaction? Or two brothers banging some girl at the same time?

He's like a twenty something boomer.

Cause it doesn't matter at all and I was being polite.

If they hire a fake couple and a black guy to make a cuckold video it's still cuckold porn even if they're not married. The fact they're role playing doesn't make it not incest porn. I'm thinking by correcting me you expose the fact that you think it's less creepy they're role playing. But maybe I'm wrong.

I'd say the latter would expand sexuality tbh.

You think it would be just as creepy to **** a girl who calls you daddy as it would be to **** your daughter?

no, but I'm saying it doesn't matter in terms of whether it should be called incest porn

What am I supposed to call it, actors role-playing incest porn? All porn stars are basically role playing. You guys are just splitting hairs.

You're not wrong or right because there's no objective standard for creepiness. If you find it creepy then that's that.

Personally I think that the difference between role playing and real incest is like the difference between fencing and a knife fight.