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jwb 12-27-2019 07:16 PM

Since you guys are too lazy to scroll back...

Here's where I acknowledged "evil" was just used for affect but that i think overall it's having a negative impact:

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2096961)
Evil? What non-moron in 2019 uses the word "evil"?

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096963)
I used it for effect. How about depraved? You cool with incest my friend?

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096974)
I'm not even saying there's something that can be done about it.. I just think it's having an unhealthy impact on sexuality overall

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096969)
I think it's causing a variety of depraved fetishes to grow in prominence.. it also provides an outlet for men who don't socialize with women to explore sexuality without any feedback... It ends up giving them unrealistic ideas about sex.. plus it puts a premium on degradation of women

Here's where batlord made the distinction that they were role playing and I acknowledged that:

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2096970)
I've heard plenty of women give all kinds of opinions on porn, from it being bad to it having issues, to it being potentially empowering, and any number of nuanced views. TBH I don't think you can take down porn in an honest way that wouldn't take down all of capitalism as well. Otherwise it's just a different form of old Christian moral police with a new coat of paint.



I don't think porn is causing people to **** their mothers, it's just providing a fantasy that's I guess always been there. You might as well whine about 1st person shooters causing people to shoot up schools. And "depraved" is also cringey. Might as well call it degenerate like an honest alt right nonce.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096973)
I think the fantasy growing in prominence is disturbing enough lol

Both these exchanges happened at the very beginning of the debate.

jwb 12-27-2019 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2097497)
You didn't say anything intelligent to refute so I'm just calling you dumb.



Not your own from the sound of it.

yea cause you never try to refute dumb points


The Batlord 12-27-2019 07:21 PM

What kind of moron seriously calls something literally evil when they don't think it is?

jwb 12-27-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2097507)
What kind of moron seriously calls something literally evil when they don't think it is?

I still have the trollish impulses..I know what will push more people's buttons

But I corrected it right away nonetheless.

DwnWthVwls 12-27-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2097507)
What kind of moron seriously calls something literally evil when they don't think it is?

*raises hand*

Weird you dont understand this considering the way you jokingly use over the top insults.

jwb 12-27-2019 07:26 PM

What kinda morons think that telling me it's actors and not actual incest is a good point after pages upon pages of debating the subject where I acknowledged that and never suggested otherwise?

The Batlord 12-27-2019 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2097510)
I still have the trollish impulses..I know what will push more people's buttons

But I corrected it right away nonetheless.

No, you're just still a troll.

The Batlord 12-27-2019 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2097513)
What kinda morons think that telling me it's actors and not actual incest is a good point after pages upon pages of debating the subject where I acknowledged that and never suggested otherwise?

Because you go back on that and act like there's no difference whenever it suits your point.

jwb 12-27-2019 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2097515)
Because you go back on that and act like there's no difference whenever it suits your point.

when did I go back on it?

The Batlord 12-27-2019 07:32 PM

Bitch I'm not going back and reading all that **** so just take my word for it that you're dishonest or go **** yourself.

Lucem Ferre 12-27-2019 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2097513)
What kinda morons think that telling me it's actors and not actual incest is a good point after pages upon pages of debating the subject where I acknowledged that and never suggested otherwise?

What kind of idiot show cases his back peddling as proof they won an argument?

You do! :clap:

Errr derrrr I don't think it's actually evil derr derrr I don't even think there's anything wrong with it if it's not hurting anybody errga derga derrrrrr I just find it creepy.

jwb 12-27-2019 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2097518)
What kind of idiot show cases his back peddling as proof they won an argument?

You do! :clap:

Errr derrrr I don't think it's actually evil derr derrr I don't even think there's anything wrong with it if it's not hurting anybody errga derga derrrrrr I just find it creepy.

the evil post was literally my first post and the correction was like my 2nd post

So to get me to"admit" I was being hyperbolic with that post after ****ing pages of arguing is not a victory

It would've ended with my second post it that was the point we were actually arguing

jwb 12-27-2019 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2097517)
Bitch I'm not going back and reading all that **** so just take my word for it that you're dishonest or go **** yourself.

The time you guys said I went back on it was when I said vwls post didn't matter as to whether it's called incest porn. I don't have to read back to know that. Once again you have the memory if a ****ing hummingbird.

I never once suggested it wasn't actors

Next time learn to read and comprehend what you are arguing before you try to condescend.

Lucem Ferre 12-27-2019 07:41 PM

Incest porn is evil and will cause a moral decay into depravity by normalizing incest and influencing it's watchers into incestical urges except there isn't anything wrong with incest if nobody is getting hurt I just find it creepy.

^The winning argument. Lord J dubya B.

The Batlord 12-27-2019 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2097521)
The time you guys said I went back on it was when I said vwls post didn't matter as to whether it's called incest porn. I don't have to read back to know that. Once again you have the memory if a ****ing hummingbird.

I never once suggested it wasn't actors

Next time learn to read and comprehend what you are arguing before you try to condescend.

Nah there was several times you said it wasn't relevant. I swear all you pill poppers are liars.

jwb 12-27-2019 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2097524)
Nah there was several times you said it wasn't relevant. I swear all you pill poppers are liars.

nah, I never once suggested it wasn't actors

I said vwls correction wasn't relevant cause it wasn't

I said even if it's role playing i find it creepy

I said that vwls correction shouldn't matter to him cause he finds actual incest ok

Learn to read dummy

"Nah bro trust me you said it"

I don't trust you. You respond each post like you didn't read it properly.

Lucem Ferre 12-27-2019 07:46 PM

No need to make it personal. I'm here for the jokes.

The Batlord 12-27-2019 07:47 PM

Pill. Popping. Liar.

jwb 12-27-2019 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2097523)
Incest porn is evil and will cause a moral decay into depravity by normalizing incest and influencing it's watchers into incestical urges except there isn't anything wrong with incest if nobody is getting hurt I just find it creepy.

^The winning argument. Lord J dubya B.

I just think that overall it's disturbing cause of the potential psychological implications

I just said I would agree you should leave them be if it's consentual cause I don't have a better solution.

Sorta like I think heroin is a terribly dangerous drug but it shouldn't be criminalized

Crazy, right?

jwb 12-27-2019 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2097531)
Pill. Popping. Liar.

crazy how I ran myself into the ground with drug abuse and still i have a better memory and better comprehension than you.

DwnWthVwls 12-27-2019 07:52 PM

Im still not convinced catering to even the most depraved porn users is more negative for society than porn existing at all. You keep trying to argue that these genres of porn are leading us towards depravity and i already explained its the use of porn in general that is the far greater problem.

jwb 12-27-2019 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 2097534)
Im still not convinced catering to even the most depraved porn users is more negative for society than porn existing at all. You keep trying to argue that these genres of porn are leading us towards depravity and i already explained its the use of porn in general that is the far greater problem.

read the posts I reposted just before.. one of my posts highlighted multiple potential problems with porn.. this was just the one problem I posted that got responses.

Lucem Ferre 12-27-2019 07:55 PM

Yeah, you back peddled your whole point. We both agree on this.

We just disagree on the implications of your back peddling. And that's okay. If you want to be delusional and wrong, that's fine by me JWB. I mean, I can't expect a mere mortal like you to throw lightning bolts with the gods.

jwb 12-27-2019 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2097538)
Yeah, you back peddled your whole point. We both agree on this.

We just disagree on the implications of your back peddling. And that's okay. If you want to be delusional and wrong, that's fine by me JWB. I mean, I can't expect a mere mortal like you to throw lightning bolts with the gods.

If I back peddled it was within the first few posts

Yet people continued to argue with me long after that

The Batlord 12-27-2019 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2097532)
I just said I would agree you should leave them be if it's consentual cause I don't have a better solution.

Well that's ominous.

DwnWthVwls 12-27-2019 08:01 PM

The feedback loop and deteriorating sexual health of western culture.

jwb 12-27-2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2097542)
what's the problem with the use of porn?

that people are lonely?

this isn't the fault of porn jesus christ

I dunno if it's just porn but I feel the internet in general is largely responsible for the rise of the incels

And porn probably plays a decent role in that imo

jwb 12-27-2019 08:06 PM

Do you think the incel lifestyle seems particularly psychologically healthy to you?

DwnWthVwls 12-27-2019 08:07 PM

Batlord are you healthy?

jwb 12-27-2019 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2097548)
really, because I don't at all

I think the internet is responsible for allowing incels to conjugate in Safe Spaces, but the internet did not create men that can't get laid...wtf

it's up for debate.. like people say correlation =/ causation.. but I believe the numbers are definitely on the rise from what I've read

jwb 12-27-2019 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2097552)
the internet is a cancer, porn is fine though

so does that mean maybe you do think the internet is contributing to the rise of incels?

jwb 12-27-2019 08:18 PM

You don't think it can possibly hamper certain social skills that might otherwise be useful when trying find a partner irl?

jwb 12-27-2019 08:28 PM

So what would you attribute as the cause of the rise in numbers of people who are incels? Assuming I'm remembering correctly that the numbers are on the rise. I'm gonna start looking for the studies I saw which suggested this.

Cause maybe to you the internet can't lure you away from irl dating but that's not necessarily true of everyone.

jwb 12-27-2019 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2097559)
I don't think it's a rise, again, I see a congregation

you have a disparate group becoming a terrorist group

OK I will look for the studies cause from what I remember it's a rise in the % of people who are involuntarily celibate not just a rise terrorists or online agitators.

WWWP 12-27-2019 08:36 PM

The common threads among incels are low self-esteem and lack of self awareness. I'd say it's a mental health and unsuccessful socialization issue. The internet contributes to the tribalism, which is where the danger comes from, but it is not the cause of the behaviors.

Frownland 12-27-2019 08:36 PM

*backpedal

The Batlord 12-27-2019 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2097548)
I think the internet is responsible for allowing incels to conjugate in Safe Spaces

I think this site is evidence that incorrect conjugation is not tolerated on the internet.

jwb 12-27-2019 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2097562)
The common threads among incels are low self-esteem and lack of self awareness. I'd say it's a mental health and unsuccessful socialization issue. The internet contributes to the tribalism, which is where the danger comes from, but it is not the cause of the behaviors.

you don't think the internet can contribute to unsuccessful socialization?

Lucem Ferre 12-27-2019 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2097563)
*backpedal

You made a fool of me almost as bad as when you did it to JWB!!!

The Batlord 12-27-2019 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2097567)
you don't think the internet can contribute to unsuccessful socialization?

I imagine it's led to more soggy biscuit parties than ever happened pre-internet.


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