Just explain to me how this bit of clickbait is a news story you cannot believe? NAZIS parading through ROME spark PROTESTS from JEWS and CATHOLICS? Really? Who woulda thunk it? :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9nGSvweSGQ

But I don't want to join a Christian militia.

Bet they all play Dungeons and Dragons! :laughing:

Shut up, Israel.

:love:

the beef between isreal and Palestine is 4 reallll

Breaking news from norg! :rolleyes:
Can we get you on Mastermind, Norg? Specialist subject: the bleedin' obvious?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPFb17vIR7s
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/36...ality=lossless

French cannibal escapes psychiatric unit and attacks a woman before being chased away and recaptured

Bon appétit!

Giving the sides but not the full recipe? Journalists are slackin these days.

Philistine! Everyone knows it's RED beans with heart and tongue! What is the world coming to?

Tifa Rule 34 Plays during Italian Senate Hearing

Watching a bunch of old Italians freak the **** out.

I bet there were a lot of Italian hand gestures going on nawmsayin?

The Irish need guns so they can be the Florida men of Europe.

Oh I heard about this one! He was blue when they brought him in, so I doubt he suddenly went all corpsey suddenly! ****ing Irish! We'll do anything to get the money for a pint! :laughing: (Death icon which does not exist sadly)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtQ8A4BgJo

Pregnant New Zealand journalist stranded by quarantine rules says she turned to Taliban

I don't know why but I'm willing to assume that this woman is a batshit crazy attention seeker who is willing to place her own life as well as the life of her unborn child at risk just to make a point about New Zealand red tape.

Whoopi Goldberg slammed for saying Holocaust not about race



The answer to the perennial question of whether the US race discourse can get any more essentialist and myopic is a resounding yes it can and it does, every day

Be nice and explain what essentialism is and how it applies to this situation so that the plebs can learn something. I tired googling but it didn't help.

Also, isn't being Jewish an ethnicity rather than a race?

In fairness to Whoopi, it wasn't like she was saying the Holocaust never happened. In fact she called it absolute evil. I think she missed the point that the Jews consider themselves to be a race; that's where she really messed up.

Who ****ing cares what some empty-headed liberal said on The View? And can you ever just say what you mean? I can't figure out if your obtuse use of the English language is honest pseudo-intellectualism or defensive crypticness.

I think he expresses himself clearly for someone with his education background and interests, the problem is nobody else understands his references. He needs to dumb it down for us... :D

No the lack of standardization in wokeness is the issue. Also the standardization in wokeness.

She missed the point that the Nazis considered Jews a race.

Race essentialism means you regard racial categories as set in stone and immutable, as opposed to constituted historically by different forces, according to a different ideological matrices, reflecting and creating different divides between groups of people, informed by different bodies of knowledge and traditions etc. According to late 19th century race science, Jews were a biologically (zoologically, even) distinct race. The Slavs were another distinct race, inferior in their own way. The French were seen as a motley racial hodgepodge etc etc. Hence, the American discursive category of "white people" is worse than useless when you're trying to understand European history of that era.

Having said that, I think I ought to be more patients with our American brethren on this forum. It's their world we're all living in after all!

Yeah but that still doesn't make sense. You provided no substantive critique of how American discourse is particularly race essentialist, how we are becoming more essentialist, and Whoopi Goldberg's comments relate to that. You just sort of implied that America dumb and blurted out some smart sounding jargon to make a dumb American being dumb mean more than just America dumb. As far as I can tell all this story illustrates is that Whoopi Goldberg has a bargain basement understanding of racial history.

Let me try to dot the i's. Saying that the Holocaust wasn't about race because it was between white people reveals an understanding of race defined by a division of people into whites and non-whites. That this division is the basis for a lot of the US discourse on race seems too obvious to require any further discussion. When applied to realities that have nothing to do with the US, it produces monstrous distortions. We've all seen this discourse aggressively proliferate over the years in the academe as well as outside, taking over histories that have nothing to do with American obsessions; but her statement was probably the most blunt and egregious I've seen in a while, despite a general crescendo in the volume of bs in the era of social media.

Well thanks! That's certainly more clear. (:

Scientific racism is absolutely not simply an American thing, even if it did take hold especially deeply here for obvious reasons, but do you think Whoopi's ignorance of it means phrenology will make a come back? Stop gesturing at your point and actually make it.

My point, repeatedly stated, is that the US race discourse of the 2020s offers a worse than useless grid of intelligibility for Nazism.

I don't even want to know the chain of inferences that led you to assume I somehow implied that scientific racism was "simply an American thing."

You did not repeatedly state that. You said that US race discourse was essentialist and then posted an example of someone simply not understanding the Nazis' views on race, which doesn't even sound like essentialism unless you see something I don't. Your point is incoherent and weird.

The point that the US race discourse is noted for imposing rigid, reified, essentialist categories on the wider world - and that WG's statement is a prime example of just that - is not remotely controversial for anyone NOT swimming in the cesspit of activist talk regurgitated on podcasts and gaming streams by some of the least intelligent people in America.

Everything I say should be incoherent and weird to you. Had there been a frictionless understanding between us, notwithstanding differences in background and education levels, then... it would be an illusion promoted by me because I want to have sex with you. That would've been the only explanation.

Ethnicity is real, race isn't real so it's whatever racists decide it is.

At least in America discrimination against the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs and other ethnic groups we now identify as white ceased because in order to keep black people and other minority groups in the margins we had to make sure white people remained the majority so we made whiteness more inclusive. Jews have always been an outlier, in modern times they have become somewhat accepted by the mainstream as white but enough people continue to see them as outsiders, they exist in this grey area and it's part of what makes them such a popular scapegoat for extremists and conspiracy whackjobs of all kinds.

If Neo-Nazis got their precious white ethnostate there would immediately be a civil war over who is really white, whiteness is something that was simply made up to exclude others and when people's identity hinge entirely on excluding others they will move the goalposts so they can keep doing that.

Argumentum ad populism or appeal to authority depending on whomever you're appealing to. Maybe make an actual argument and you won't need to bloviate about how clearly correct you are for "reasons".

I mean you talk about essentialism and then show someone not essentialising race. Maybe explain why saying Jews are white people is essentialising? Saying that Jews are inherently greedy or black people are inherently criminal or Asians are inherently good at math is essentialising.

Perhaps cohere an actual argument and there would be less friction. I mean do you go through academia vaguely gesturing at a point until someone assumes what you mean so that you can disagree with THEIR point?