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Goofle 09-23-2017 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1876451)
until private prisons are eliminated there will always be an issue in the US

State run prisons sound like a great idea. Never been an issue.

Goofle 09-24-2017 12:38 AM

The profit motive is the best thing that has ever happened to society. Who's paying these prisons to put more people in jail may I ask?

OccultHawk 09-24-2017 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1876546)
The profit motive is the best thing that has ever happened to society. Who's paying these prisons to put more people in jail may I ask?

Naturally the same as state and federally run prisons, the tax payer, so there's no advantage there. It's not free market in anyway. The prisons still have a state run monopoly. They call it a capitalist free market system to sell the idea to voters but in practice it's really the worst kind of "communism". Not the nice on paper type of communism that might get lip service from anarco-lefties, but communism as you see it: a state run system incentivized to rule the people while handing power and "profit" to a very select few. These select few present themselves as venture capitalists but in fact they function exactly like government insiders in the most horrifying communist scenarios. The prison wants to house compliant non-violent people because that's the best way to maximize profits. Guilty or not the system is arranged so if you don't plea bargain you risk adding decades to your sentence. So almost everyone pleads out. That's where the public defenders or private lawyers get their cut. They do basically nothing besides run through a formula that determines the plea. Even if the lawyer is honest there's no escaping this system. It's as routine as making Big Macs at McDonald's. More than that, it's actually against the law for them to demand fair sentencing and the defendants and the attorneys will pay if there's any attempt to buck the system. Then the judges get kick backs for streamlining the easiest to manage prisoners to certain institutions. However, once the system becomes established the kick back is called salary and the "privatized" prisons corner the market with sentencing guidelines that the judges are stuck with. You can call it capitalism. You can call it communism. You can call them jails. You can call them gulags. The charge might be a violation of parole or probation (typically driving on a suspension license or pissing dirty) with a resisting arrest tacked on for good measure. Or if it's a communist state it might be a speech violation. Either way you got disenfranchised typically non-violent people being locked away just to fill the space and to exploit slave labor while they're locked up.

Trollheart 09-24-2017 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1876557)
Naturally the same as state and federally run prisons, the tax payer, so there's no advantage there. It's not free market in anyway. The prisons still have a state run monopoly. They call it a capitalist free market system to sell the idea to voters but in practice it's really the worst kind of "communism". Not the nice on paper type of communism that might get lip service from anarco-lefties, but communism as you see it: a state run system incentivized to rule the people while handing power and "profit" to a very select few. These select few present themselves as venture capitalists but in fact they function exactly like government insiders in the most horrifying communist scenarios. The prison wants to house compliant non-violent people because that's the best way to maximize profits. Guilty or not the system is arranged so if you don't plea bargain you risk adding decades to your sentence. So almost everyone pleads out. That's where the public defenders or private lawyers get their cut. They do basically nothing besides run through a formula that determines the plea. Even if the lawyer is honest there's no escaping this system. It's as routine as making Big Macs at McDonald's. More than that, it's actually against the law for them to demand fair sentencing and the defendants and the attorneys will pay if there's any attempt to buck the system. Then the judges get kick backs for streamlining the easiest to manage prisoners to certain institutions. However, once the system becomes established the kick back is called salary and the "privatized" prisons corner the market with sentencing guidelines that the judges are stuck with. You can call it capitalism. You can call it communism. You can call them jails. You can call them gulags. The charge might be a violation of parole or probation (typically driving on a suspension license or pissing dirty) with a resisting arrest tacked on for good measure. Or if it's a communist state it might be a speech violation. Either way you got disenfranchised typically non-violent people being locked away just to fill the space and to exploit slave labor while they're locked up.

Haysus Kristos! That's got to be the longest post, outside of your journal, that you've made while here! Are you drunk? High?

OccultHawk 09-24-2017 09:36 AM

I've been high as **** for almost a week. I'm sick of it to be honest.

OccultHawk 09-24-2017 09:51 AM

elph

I'm not even gonna lie. I was hoping you might have some props for my analysis.

Trollheart 09-24-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1876630)
yo you want me to read

All that ****

by Occulthawk

I read it. Felt it was only fair, if he put in the effort. It's a good piece, Hawk.

OccultHawk 09-24-2017 10:09 AM

Thanks Trolls

Gosh elph I thought we were cool. I consider you an ally... against the man. Against the system. It's you and me against the ****ing MACHINE brother. Ain't you never teamed up with a bigot before?

Trollheart 09-24-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1876640)
Thanks Trolls

Gosh elph I thought we were cool. I consider you an ally... against the man. Against the system. It's you and me against the ****ing MACHINE brother. Ain't you never teamed up with a bigot before?

I sense a sitcom here....

The Batlord 09-25-2017 09:11 AM

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...dal/699157001/

Waitaminute. He MAY have to register as a sex offender for sending sexually explicit messages to a 15-year-old? Just how rich and connected do I have to be to dodge the Sex Offender Registry?


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