Inuzuka Skysword

I understand that you want to help other people in need and I am all for that, but I don't see how it is moral at all to steal from the rich and give to the poor. The fact of the matter is that I don't really care about the country as a whole, and I see myself as an individual in this world. Since I have only one perspective, why should I decide how another person should forcibly give there money away when they don't want to. It isn't a matter of being selfish at all. It is a matter of protecting someones basic rights of doing what they want with their property.

The reason is because of the huge amounts of taxes on the middle class, which will increase with socialized health-care. These taxes also stop more people from getting rich, which theoretically stops more people from giving money. This is because in the large middle class, there are probably more people who would give more. If these people were able to get more money, they may give that money away.

Double X

I completely trust the citizens, they will do good with the money they are given to get off their feet. I don't get why you claim poor people won't do anything with money and then say I don't believe in the citizens.

When people struggle to live, we should help them. It's silly to think that someone wants their basic rights to be protected just so they can hoard more of their money.

Taxing the middle class over the top is crazy, but I think we can tax many of the wealthy families who just save their money so their great great grandchildren don't have to work.

Son of JayJamJah

So if rich people are given money they won't work hard, but if poor people are given money they will?

I know you don't think that, but do you see what I mean. Endless hand outs take away motivation. Endless handouts (i.e welfare, rent control, those who abuse unemployment etc) take away motivation. Endless handouts are the socialist solution.

I would rather leave it up to the private citizens like you and I'd like to think my self who are willing to sacrifice what they can to help those less fortunate. Don't force people to do it, especially when there are no results to show for their efforts.

I love where your heart is, I am only arguing the best way to accomplish what we both want.

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Inuzuka Skysword

The fact is that I don't see how you should have the authority over someone else's property who doesn't want you to. It would be like me coming over to your house and taking your computer because I want to give it to someone else. While that doesn't perfectly match up because the rich could just buy a new one, rich people are quite stingy and do not want other hands on there money. Therefore, I don't think we are morally right and taking there money, whatever the cause. It is kind of like respecting a culture when you go to another country. You want to do something they are doing, but it is a matter of respect.

Double X

That's the problem - I know it's not morally right to 'steal' other peoples property and give them to less fortunate people but I still see the insanely wide gap between the few rich and the poor masses and they don't donate nearly as much as they could.

And I don't want endless handouts, I want more money to give direction (ie welfare checks only if you actually have a job with at least 28 hours a week, private counselors who work with these people to get them off their feer, not a closed window that poops checks).

I can't bear myself to let that happen. When the richer are just hoarding their money it seems so much worse than raising taxes so we actually do stuff with that money.

Inuzuka Skysword

Now you sound like a fundamentalist Christian...

I mean, it is exactly like that. You think you know utopia, and since yours will interfere with others freedoms it becomes a problem.

Like I said, it is just like bringing religion into politics.

Double X

So you would rather 'let things sort themselves out' and watch people starve on the streets?

Do we need taxes at all? I mean it is their property, no?

Inuzuka Skysword

No, you do what any truly generous person would. You give up everything you own and give it to the poor since you care so much for them. I doubt you will, so you really don't care about them as much as you think you do.

The point is that until your own property is on the line, you won't show your true colors.


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Inuzuka Skysword

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