This I Believe There is / is not a God

Barnard17 · 09-16-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BoRox

Janszoon - you're right! Something has to be eternal. Either we believe the atoms in our universe always existed or that an eternal power existed. I think believing that atoms were always here without a creator is pretty ridiculous.

Non sequitur. We can't yet answer a scientific question (despite considerably limited capability to test such things) so God must exist?

"Because we can't yet prove something it must be caused by the unprovable" is pig logic.

The correct answer is: we don't yet know where the particles from the big bang came from. Scientific research leads to knowledge and understanding of the big bang and facts and knowledge end there. Further postulation, until science is more advanced and able to look into such things any statements posed as fact on the matter are wholly fatuous. Stop trying, you're making yourself look like an idiot.

**Janszoon** · 09-16-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by upbeat4life

The universe, as far as we know, is bound by space and time. It had a beginning, it will have an end, and it is expanding, which means that it is finite. A god, by definition, exists outside of space/time and possibly created it, so it would not need a creator. Which "proves" nothing beyond that a god is a conceptually possible cause for the start of the universe.

Nope. The universe is space and time. There is no outside of it and there is no before or after it.

Barnard17 · 09-16-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by upbeat4life

A god, by definition, exists outside of space/time and possibly created it, so it would not need a creator. Which "proves" nothing beyond that a god is a conceptually possible cause for the start of the universe.

As is the Flying Spaghetti Monster and also the notion that a magical, invisible Unicorn did a magic **** that was the universe. It's no more reason to put faith in such a concept.

~~The Unfan~~ · 09-16-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BoRox

Janszoon - you're right! Something has to be eternal. Either we believe the atoms in our universe always existed or that an eternal power existed. I think believing that atoms were always here without a creator is pretty ridiculous.

I count 3 logical fallacies. Are you seriously this dense?

right-track · 09-16-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnard17

As is the Flying Spaghetti Monster and also the notion that a magical, invisible Unicorn did a magic **** that was the universe.

I like this explanation best.

storymilo · 09-16-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnard17

As is the Flying Spaghetti Monster and also the notion that a magical, invisible Unicorn did a magic **** that was the universe. It's no more reason to put faith in such a concept.

Haha. But you're right, just because such an idea is conceptually possible doesn't mean that it happened.

likuidcoka · 09-16-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

There Is No God : NPR

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Tell me\us all why you believe there is or there is no God.

I would request the mods delete any posts that use unwarranted put-downs, name calling asap.

This is a beautiful topic and none of us know the true answer so it'd be foolish not to hear someone out.

I agree Man.

Hmmm.

I do believe there is a Higher Power.
I do believe in God.
I have experienced his Mercy many times through out my LIfe.

~~The Unfan~~ · 09-16-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by likuidcoka

I agree Man.

Hmmm.

I do believe there is a Higher Power.
I do believe in God.
I have experienced his Mercy many times through out my LIfe.

How do you know that wasn't the mercy of the Easter Bunny?

anticipation · 09-16-2009, 04:31 PM

See, the funny thing about saying you believe in god proves that it's possible god doesn't exist. Normally you wouldn't say you believe that a hamburger exists, so why is it different for god?

And please don't give me that whole "because he's incomprehensible" bull**** either.

~~The Unfan~~ · 09-16-2009, 04:33 PM

If there is a hamburger in front of you why wouldn't you believe it exists?

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anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	See, the funny thing about saying you believe in god proves that it's possible god doesn't exist. Normally you wouldn't say you believe that a hamburger exists, so why is it different for god? And please don't give me that whole "because he's incomprehensible" bull**** either.

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~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	If there is a hamburger in front of you why wouldn't you believe it exists?