This I Believe There is / is not a God

Guybrush · 11-29-2010, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio

I remember when I was about 8 or 9, and questioned God's existence for the first time to my mother. She didn't get angry or anything, but she took me outside. It was spring, and it was absolutely beautiful. All of our flowers were in full bloom, birds chirping, and a wild rabbit hopping through our yard. My mom just said, "How can you look at all of this, and not at least want to believe in God?"

Because of this, I've never been an Atheist, although I lean towards not believing moreso than believing. I read up on religion quite frequently, and I really do try to see everything completely objectively - which, unfortunately, has not proved horribly conducive to blindly believing as it were.

Regardless, I sometimes look around at how beautiful things are, remember what my mother told me years ago, and think that yes, I'd like to believe that there is some divine being who put all of this here for us to appreciate, and that it wasn't just a coincidence.

I just can't.

So you're not able to see beauty in the world unless you accept it as the creation of a divine being? That seems a little sad, and to me, a natural explanation that us and all other life around us are products of a billions of years process which forges order out of the chaos of cosmos seems to me far more magical than the notion that everything has been created in a matter of days by a divine being like a simple conjuror's trick.

To my mind, the idea that beauty in the world is somehow proof of a divine existence is completely naive on several levels. As a biologist, I can tell you that we know life does not evolve to be as aesthetically pleasing as possible. If it did, I could perhaps agree with you.

**Janszoon** · 11-29-2010, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

So you're not able to see beauty in the world unless you accept it as the creation of a divine being?

I don't think that's what she's saying. She did end her post "I can't" after all.

Guybrush · 11-29-2010, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I don't think that's what she's saying. She did end her post "I can't" after all.

I got baited!

Guybrush · 11-29-2010, 05:56 PM

I'll believe in God when he/she/it's existence has proper scientific support.

**Janszoon** · 11-29-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

I'll believe in God when he/she/it's existence has proper scientific support.

You and me both.

s_k · 12-01-2010, 08:55 PM

And that's the second posting by Jordan about God.
Please talk about music man. That's what you're supposed to be here for.

jordanthornburg · 12-01-2010, 09:06 PM

i love music actually but this is a forum about whether or not god is real......but what kind of music do you like

RVCA · 12-01-2010, 10:34 PM

Do you believe Gandhi is burning in hell because he didn't profess his faith to Christianity?

jordanthornburg · 12-05-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Do you believe Gandhi is burning in hell because he didn't profess his faith to Christianity?

I dont know. I think was a great man who did great things. He lived a life of good which is what God wants. I think when gandhi died God gave him a chance accept christ as his savior because he lived a worthy life but i dont know for sure of course, but it does say those who reject me will burn in the pits of hell. God is a loving merciful God who wants us to return to him so im not sure on that one to be honest

12-02-2010, 12:36 PM

Pretty simple for me... Just no reason to believe in a God. I was raised Christian by my mother, though my father was atheist and never spoke of religion. Even when I was young, I'd go to church and not believe any of it. Just seemed ridiculous from day one to me.

There is such suffering throughout the world that it makes me not believe there is a God. If there is a God, he certainly isn't a loving one.

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Dirty Guest Posts: n/a	Pretty simple for me... Just no reason to believe in a God. I was raised Christian by my mother, though my father was atheist and never spoke of religion. Even when I was young, I'd go to church and not believe any of it. Just seemed ridiculous from day one to me. There is such suffering throughout the world that it makes me not believe there is a God. If there is a God, he certainly isn't a loving one.