Obama ~ The Issues (albums, discography, quote)

~~The Unfan~~ · 10-24-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WendyCal

My point was, and still is:

Obama believes that life begins at the moment of conception, sometimes.
Obama believes that unrestricted abortion should be allowed all the time.
Therefore:
Obama believes that the taking of life should be allowed, sometimes.

Okay?

Now,

The taking of life is defined as murder.
Obama believes that the taking of life should be allowed, sometimes.
Therefore:
Obama believes that murder should be allowed, sometimes.

If he had just said that he didn't believe life started until [ whatever he believes ], that would have been one thing. But to say 'Yeah, i think about it, and sometimes i think this and sometimes i think that' ~ it's like saying that he condones murder.

That is not the legal definition of murder, therefore your point is flawed. Nice try though.

Son of JayJamJah · 10-24-2008, 05:24 PM

To a lot of pro-life people it is.

~~The Unfan~~ · 10-24-2008, 05:27 PM

Unless WendyCal would have me jailed for hiring an assassin for having a sick dog put to sleep her definition is still nonsense.

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Unfan

That is not the legal definition of murder, therefore your point is flawed. Nice try though.

So sue me ~ i paraphrased.

get it? 'sue' me?

Inuzuka Skysword · 10-24-2008, 05:30 PM

Even if you are pro-life, you should be forced to acknowledge that a women has a moral right to abort the child if it threatens her life. The government wouldn't be able to regulate that well. Therefore, it has to be kept open.

Son of JayJamJah · 10-24-2008, 05:33 PM

To me it's a none of my\your business issue. I think it should be up to the doctors and the patients. If they have no morals qualms with it, then everyone else should mind their own business.

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

That is not the legal definition of murder, therefore your point is flawed. Nice try though.

Have you ever been in an abortion clinic, with someone?

Before the appointment, you have plenty of time to think.

And before the proceedure, you are given counselling and MORE time to think. That's why i left out the with malice aforethought part.

Also, it bears stating that it ONLY applies to human life.

(You couldn't 'murder' your poor, sick dog.)

~~The Unfan~~ · 10-24-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WendyCal

Have you ever been in an abortion clinic, with someone?

Before the appointment, you have plenty of time to think.

And before the proceedure, you are given counselling and MORE time to think. That's why i left out the with malice aforethought part.

Also, it bears stating that it ONLY applies to human life.

(You couldn't 'murder' your poor, sick dog.)

So you admit that you purposefully left out part of the definition to help your argument? Thats just poor debating right there. What if the abortion is out of self defense?

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Even if you are pro-life, you should be forced to acknowledge that a women has a moral right to abort the child if it threatens her life. The government wouldn't be able to regulate that well. Therefore, it has to be kept open.

That could be left up to a doctor.

And, please ~ i think a victim of rape or a life-threatening pregnancy SHOULD have the option, also.

What i don't think is that abortion should be used as birth control ~ if someone wants to mess around, and gets pregnant, i don't believe killing the child is the solution to the problem. For at least, she can take THAT much responsibility for her actions, can't she? i'm sorry it happened, but i wasn't responsible for spoon-feeding her birth control pills every morning, or making sure she was packing some other method ~ SHE was.

Yes, i WOULD feel sorry for her, on a personal level and if i knew her, i would support her. That's another of those things about Christians ~ we don't really care how you got there. We have ALL sinned. All we care about is, if you ask us for help, and then we're glad to give it.

WendyCal · 10-24-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

So you admit that you purposefully left out part of the definition to help your argument? Thats just poor debating right there. What if the abortion is out of self defense?

i admit that i paraphrased.

Not to "help my argument" ~ see my post, above

Abortion in self-defense ~ see above

(Did you think that up? Seriously. Because that is perfect, the perfect solution!)

10-24-2008, 05:27 PM	#63 (permalink)
~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	Unless WendyCal would have me jailed for hiring an assassin for having a sick dog put to sleep her definition is still nonsense.

10-24-2008, 05:30 PM	#65 (permalink)
Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	Even if you are pro-life, you should be forced to acknowledge that a women has a moral right to abort the child if it threatens her life. The government wouldn't be able to regulate that well. Therefore, it has to be kept open.