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Old 05-05-2009, 03:02 AM   #91 (permalink)
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I believe that part yes, but even if you trace the universe back to nothingness there's still something being created from nothing. This is why I believe in some sort of higher power, though it's certainly not what they're describing in church.
says who? Your brain? Just because we think that something can't come from nothing, is that the absolute truth?

I have always been fascinated with the whole parallel universe theory and what it would mean as far as life after death goes. They say if we are in parallel universes, we have infinite dimensions and there are unlimited outcomes and possibilities everywhere. For example, you get in a car wreck irl and swerve out of the way and avoid a head on collision with a huge truck. Well, in another dimension the same thing happens at the same time, but you hit the truck and die in in another dimension, and something different happens in every other dimension due to the infinite outcomes theory in this case.

Anyways, like i stated above, you hit the truck and died in that one dimension right. I can't really find an explanation with this because it just doesn't make sense. Like, how can you be dead and alive at the same time, just in different dimensions? ( which is the same space ) Would this mean life would be possible outside of your current body or whatever, or is this some kind of ridiculous idea i should just let go?

This is what i truly believe, but i don't get how it works, which is kind of my point and question above.

I mean, if this is true, then it pretty much explains the supernatural experiences people have ( ghosts). If they are telling the truth and not lying there asses off or just really crazy. But i really do believe in spirits and i think the reason they are here is because of this theory.
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:17 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Darkest Hour, the many worlds theory that you are talking about is mainly a way to explain the paradoxes of quantum physics .. the results from the double slit experiment, waveform collapses and so on. It explains why events happen at quantum level (because they didn't take place in any of the other universes).

I can't see how it explains ghosts. It says that every possible event must take place somewhere, but if ghosts are not possible, then they take place nowhere.
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Old 05-06-2009, 01:19 AM   #93 (permalink)
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sure, but since every imaginable universe is still essentially a permutation of matter or at least a permutation of patterns of light, everything is possible. so pretty much everything is happening everywhere all the time.
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I'm not completely sure what permutation means, but it sounds like you're saying there has to be other worlds with ghosts just like there's a world where Harry Potter lives and everything is like in the movies and there's a world just like Dragonlance's Krynn where there are dragons and mighty heroes going up in level once they get enough experience points.

Okay, I don't believe that.
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Old 05-06-2009, 01:49 AM   #95 (permalink)
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ghosts are in other dimensions within the same space. Which is the reason for supernatural happenings here on earth that interact with people. Everything is happening now in the room you are currently in, you just can't see it. Dimensions in between other dimensions possibly?

I don't know, just some crap i've heard. I still don't understand this crap enough to fully explain it. But i do know that supposedly they think parallel universes are a real possibility based on science and physics and we are everywhere at the same time, i don't get it, but whatever.
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:37 AM   #96 (permalink)
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says who? Your brain? Just because we think that something can't come from nothing, is that the absolute truth?

I have always been fascinated with the whole parallel universe theory and what it would mean as far as life after death goes. They say if we are in parallel universes, we have infinite dimensions and there are unlimited outcomes and possibilities everywhere. For example, you get in a car wreck irl and swerve out of the way and avoid a head on collision with a huge truck. Well, in another dimension the same thing happens at the same time, but you hit the truck and die in in another dimension, and something different happens in every other dimension due to the infinite outcomes theory in this case.

Anyways, like i stated above, you hit the truck and died in that one dimension right. I can't really find an explanation with this because it just doesn't make sense. Like, how can you be dead and alive at the same time, just in different dimensions? ( which is the same space ) Would this mean life would be possible outside of your current body or whatever, or is this some kind of ridiculous idea i should just let go?

This is what i truly believe, but i don't get how it works, which is kind of my point and question above.

I mean, if this is true, then it pretty much explains the supernatural experiences people have ( ghosts). If they are telling the truth and not lying there asses off or just really crazy. But i really do believe in spirits and i think the reason they are here is because of this theory.
Odd, I was under the impression you didnt care to believe in ahything.

I think life after death is BS.
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Old 05-06-2009, 01:13 PM   #97 (permalink)
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I'm not completely sure what permutation means, but it sounds like you're saying there has to be other worlds with ghosts just like there's a world where Harry Potter lives and everything is like in the movies and there's a world just like Dragonlance's Krynn where there are dragons and mighty heroes going up in level once they get enough experience points.

Okay, I don't believe that.
well here's the thing. there is essentially no difference between seeing a ghost and seeing the image of a ghost. since every image you see is just a combination (that's what permutation means, but in a more fancy way) of photons, and since each one of those photons has some chance, however minute, of going ANYWHERE, there is some chance that the image that reaches you will not at all resemble what is actually there. in fact, it could be anything. as the images stray further and further from the 'true' image, the chance that you will receive that image gets more and more unlikely. however, if every possibility is being realized (which is what mwi basically says), there is a universe corresponding to everything you could possibly see, regardless of what is actually there. in most of these universes, that image would immediately collapse and would seem like a glitch, or a hallucination of some sort. however, if you stray into more and more unlikely universes, the same thing will happen even with matter particles and not just photons. since harry potter is just a combination of atoms, and since all the 'magic' which he and his cohorts do could be the result of a string of random electro-magnetic fluctuations, or simply images distorted by the random movement of photons, if every possibility realizes itself there is a universe where harry potter is real. there is another universe which looks identical, but in which none of the things harry and his friends see are really there, everything they see is just a result of the light behaving strangely coming back to them. the thing to remember is that there are no real trajectories, so the fact that the light that hits a certain area of your eye corresponds to the 'object' following a straight-line trajectory is just the result of chance. basically if you take this to its logical conclusion, time and space cease to have any relevant meaning. every piece of matter exists in a probability cloud which stretches out to the end of the universe with infinitesimal probability, so at any given moment every piece of matter could rearrange itself into a completely alien, unrecognizable universe. the chance is essentially 1/infinity, but that is the chance for every universe that could arise, including our own. the thing is that a vast majority of them would look more or less identical to our own. some would look like harry potter though.
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We are EXACTLY here because of many random glitches. If many things did'nt happen to the planet then humans would almost certainly not be here. Simple as that
Many random glitches?? So more than one??

Seems you have a very selfish outlook on something that nobody can even begin to understand. I would say as i always have that with a nearly infinate amount of stars with planets orbiting them that your multiple glitch theory will have happened elsewhere in places as close as our own galaxy.

As far as intellegent life yes its out there, maybe we will never find it, maybe it won't let us find it or even better it has probably found us. Just because a planet has no air to breath does not mean it cannot harbor life.

Every material is made from the same thing, atoms. Atoms are what we are made of. Living things ADAPT to the surrounding climate. For instance should some other form of life come to visit us it may have to where a mask because oxegen is a posion to them.

Sometimes we have to think outside of the fudemental building blocks that made us and everything we know and remember that it is more almost impossible to write off life elsewhere in a universe ot infinate possiblities.
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Cornelius and Jackhammer may be arguing the same point. I suppose it depends on the definition of "random glitches". What an interesting and arbitrary concept... arguing the unexplained\unexplainable. Yeah people have been doing it for years, but people have been smoking crack for years too... know what I mean?
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:28 PM   #100 (permalink)
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No I don't know what you mean. How is philosophy comparable to drug use?
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