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~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 09-21-2009, 02:04 AM

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I'm not being closed minded, being closed minded means you refuse to accept someone's perspective. but in this case I am just downright incapable of it.

well theres practically no difference between the two, is there?

boo boo · 09-21-2009, 02:21 AM

Yeah, this is pointless.

Barnard17 · 09-21-2009, 03:37 AM

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And while that may seem frightening, I find the idea of someone who claims not to be vulnerable to that fear to be way more frightening. Because these are the kinda people who don't really value their existance at all, and those are the kinda homocidal maniacs who are wreaking havoc on the world as it is and just don't care.

Sir, you're talking a lot of ****. My parents have a prayer magnet on their fridge that reads "Give us the wisdom to accept that which we cannot change, and the courage to change that which we can." Having a love of life and a fear of dying is largely unimportant in the event of doomsday. It won't change the fact that you and everyone else is dying. In the hypothetical instance that nothing can be done and the world is bound to end then getting stressed and running round in circles like a headless chicken screaming "something must be done! Something must be done!" is only going to make you look like a fecking idiot.

boo boo · 09-21-2009, 03:43 AM

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Sir, you're talking a lot of ****. My parents have a prayer magnet on their fridge that reads "Give us the wisdom to accept that which we cannot change, and the courage to change that which we can." Having a love of life and a fear of dying is largely unimportant in the event of doomsday. It won't change the fact that you and everyone else is dying. In the hypothetical instance that nothing can be done and the world is bound to end then getting stressed and running round in circles like a headless chicken screaming "something must be done! Something must be done!" is only going to make you look like a fecking idiot.

I'm not saying you have to do that.

I'm just saying that no matter what you're gonna do, you won't be able to get the thought of it out of your mind, and if you say otherwise I won't believe you.

I just find your outlook to be disturbing.

boo boo · 09-21-2009, 04:16 AM

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do you not read? Do you insist on being insolent to the point that i have to repeat myself??
Cancer...old age...its different because you're leaving someone behind. Our human existence is based soley on social interactions

It dosen't have to be, I know some people who are happy to live a reclusive life.

I consider myself a misanthropist, while I complain about being lonely. Experience comes to show that I just can't get along with other people.

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...affirmations of existence through touch, speech, love, hate...its all based on other people. If the other people don't exist, then neither does our "lack of existence." Its not that humans are by nature unimportant (although I'm getting to the point where I might argue this point...it would be fruitless to do so), its that we are ONLY important in a social context. Thats what i mean. Even our relationship with our God(s) is a social one.

I think this is total Communitarianistic garbage.

You're basically saying the individual is not important, only the community is. I downright dispise this way of thinking, very much.

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As for "nobody wants to die" why don't you try telling that to all the people who have commited suicide in the past month? Why don't you try telling that to about 20% of my friends? I'm betting a lot of money they would love to argue with you.

I have had periods where I was suicidal. But I was being an idiot, and yes your friends are idiots.

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I only value it in the context of other people. If suicide wasn't the most selfish of all acts, I'd be dead. If i had no hope of ever finding my soul mate, i'd be dead. me myself and i, dont matter. Its you, her, him, they that matter. Since I matter to them, I matter.

Despite all it's curses I consider life to be a gift, it's something you only have for a while, so I think you should hold it to some value.

Suicide dosen't bother me just because of how it effects other people. It simply bothers me because you're depriving yourself of the gift of life.

I guess because I live life the way I do I've learned to appreciate the little things, since I never experience the big things. I'm sorry you feel that way about yourself.

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If I hadn't read some stuff about your personal life, I'd say you obviously don't know what it's like to be alone. Despite what i know about your life (which is indeed very very limited) i am going to have to assert again that you really don't have any kind of idea what it is like to be completely 100% alone in the world. The worst punishment is not death, it's solitary confinement. How much more would that be magnifiyed if there was not a single person left on the planet for you to cry to? For you to yell at or argue with or cuddle with or confess your stupidity to? For you to kill even. Our minds simply cannot exist in that kind of unpenetrable isolation -- no matter your assertions, the only way we could go on is if we had some kind of hope that SOMEONE else had survived.

I already live in solitary confinement therefore I'm used to it. So if I was the last person on earth, I'd probably deal with it pretty well.

Call me a selfish person, but I sincerely get more enjoyment out of my solitary life and just reflecting on things by myself than I ever do out of trying to socialize with people. I'd miss my family. But that's about it.

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congratulations. Your disbelieve probably holds some kind of merit. I'm sure I'd freak out just like everyone else. It still wouldn't do any good.

So you're finally admitting to saying something that wasn't really true?

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My biggest fear is ending up like my grandma. I have no desire whatsoever to get old, in fact, a vast majority of my peers share my sentiments.

Nobody wants to grow old, the thought of it makes my stomach turn. But I don't want to die young either. Que shrugging and wah wah music.

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Of course, i highly doubt that we are all going to commit mass suicide when we turn sixty, only the arrogence of youth would be bold enough to say so, death itself does not scare me. The unknown scares me, and thats around every corner. There is no logical reason to fear death that i can see. (note: fear is not logical, so this may be irrelevant, but then, so is this discussion)

This makes no sense to me.

The unknown comes with death, if you fear the unknown, you should fear death.

That's how I see it.

VeggieLover · 09-21-2009, 07:14 AM

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It dosen't have to be, I know some people who are happy to live a reclusive life.

I consider myself a misanthropist, while I complain about being lonely. Experience comes to show that I just can't get along with other people.

I think this is total Communitarianistic garbage.

You're basically saying the individual is not important, only the community is. I downright dispise this way of thinking, very much.

I have had periods where I was suicidal. But I was being an idiot, and yes your friends are idiots.

Despite all it's curses I consider life to be a gift, it's something you only have for a while, so I think you should hold it to some value.

Suicide dosen't bother me just because of how it effects other people. It simply bothers me because you're depriving yourself of the gift of life.

I guess because I live life the way I do I've learned to appreciate the little things, since I never experience the big things. I'm sorry you feel that way about yourself.

I already live in solitary confinement therefore I'm used to it. So if I was the last person on earth, I'd probably deal with it pretty well.

Call me a selfish person, but I sincerely get more enjoyment out of my solitary life and just reflecting on things by myself than I ever do out of trying to socialize with people. I'd miss my family. But that's about it.

So you're finally admitting to saying something that wasn't really true?

Nobody wants to grow old, the thought of it makes my stomach turn. But I don't want to die young either. Que shrugging and wah wah music.

This makes no sense to me.

The unknown comes with death, if you fear the unknown, you should fear death.

That's how I see it.

First of all, niether you or your friends are total reclusives. My main clue being the fact that you are on a site like this, and that you call such individuals your "friends." In the big scheme of things... community is what matters. That isn't to say that humans as individuals are unimportant (oh, wait, i already said this, maybe if you would READ), its just that, if noone, not even your dog or the fly on the wall, knew that you existed, and if you did not know that others existed A) you literally wouldn't exist as a human being if at all and B) if you did, who would know or care?
The few children that have surived being raised by dogs are severely stunted mentally, partly because they lacked human contact. Still, they managed to survive because the dogs contact...they had some assurance at least that they existed. Without that, they would have died, regardless of starvation issues.
Not being able to get along with people is besides the point. Youre still with people.

You said "no body wants to die"... apparently now you change your stance to "only idiots want to die." Its a totally different view. CONTINUED In which case you are in fact the one who is admitting that something you said wasn't entirely true. Oh wait, no one is right all the time, so that's a basic way to LEARN.

It doesn't matter if you enjoy the company of other people, so long as you are acknowledged by other people. Which, you are.

In any case, i sense the beginning of an argument circle...which gets in the way of many things. OUt.

OceanAndSilence · 09-21-2009, 07:28 AM

if the world was undoubtedly going to end and we had prior knowledge... seriously... global-scale orgy

boo boo · 09-21-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by VeggieLover

First of all, niether you or your friends are total reclusives.

I have no friends so, booyah.

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My main clue being the fact that you are on a site like this, and that you call such individuals your "friends."

Yeah, and this site takes up way too much of my free time. I could use the time off.

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In the big scheme of things... community is what matters. That isn't to say that humans as individuals are unimportant (oh, wait, i already said this, maybe if you would READ), its just that, if noone, not even your dog or the fly on the wall, knew that you existed, and if you did not know that others existed A) you literally wouldn't exist as a human being if at all and B) if you did, who would know or care?

I would. Now if we're talking about no other life on earth at all, that's one thing. Life without other people? While it would suck, I could cope with it.

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The few children that have surived being raised by dogs are severely stunted mentally, partly because they lacked human contact. Still, they managed to survive because the dogs contact...they had some assurance at least that they existed. Without that, they would have died, regardless of starvation issues.

There are some people however, who are just not meant to interact with other people. Howard Hughes was one of those people, I think I am too.

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Not being able to get along with people is besides the point. Youre still with people.

You said "no body wants to die"... apparently now you change your stance to "only idiots want to die." Its a totally different view.

I said nobody who values life wants to die. But whatever. You're really wasting your time if you want to keep arguing with me.

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more later

No thanks.

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if the world was undoubtedly going to end and we had prior knowledge... seriously... global-scale orgy

Yeah that's exactly what would happen.

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 09-21-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Yeah, this is pointless.

you can all go home, you're welcome

boo boo · 09-21-2009, 06:42 PM

Arguing with me about anything is pointless.

Which is why you should just accept that I'm always right.

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