Physical discipline against children .. okay or not? (pop, show, quote)

Yukon Cornelius · 04-17-2009, 07:32 AM

How about when the dont give an f what you say?? Mine are not that way but its everywhere now cause parents are trying to be to civil. What are you going to do when your child says no I wont go in the corner?? You gonna yell? I feel without the spank you get walked all over. Spanking leaves no attempt to challenge your request. Beating is wrong, spanking is fine...

Please answer that question, what are you gonna do when they tell you there not going to get in that corner? dont say well they will never say that to me cause I'm gonna be super dad/mom, cause they will say no regardless of how wonderful you are... You gonna sit your 2 year old down and have a heart to heart?

Bella! · 04-17-2009, 07:57 AM

Completely unacceptable! Hitting is Hitting is hitting.........it doesn't matter where it is on the body, it is still hitting! Creating physical pain doesn't change a childs behavior, it creates pain. PERIOD. and that is unacceptable in my opinion.

would you let your neighbor hit your child? NO....then why should you hit your child?

In reply to Yukon Cornelius, when my 2 year old said "no" I simply walked away from them, went to the fridge, got a glass of ice water and threw it on them. That gets the same response as if I would have spanked them.

Yukon Cornelius · 04-17-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bella!

Completely unacceptable! Hitting is Hitting is hitting.........it doesn't matter where it is on the body, it is still hitting! Creating physical pain doesn't change a childs behavior, it creates pain. PERIOD. and that is unacceptable in my opinion.

would you let your neighbor hit your child? NO....then why should you hit your child?

In reply to Yukon Cornelius, when my 2 year old said "no" I simply walked away from them, went to the fridge, got a glass of ice water and threw it on them. That gets the same response as if I would have spanked them.

So you hit him with items? And shock his body with cold water? I think I'll stick to the spanking, you sound crazy... you gonna start spitting on your kid next??

Bella! · 04-17-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

So you hit him with items? And shock his body with cold water? I think I'll stick to the spanking, you sound crazy... you gonna start spitting on your kid next??

did I say Items? I dont think so. I said hitting is hitting. PERIOD. Cold water does not shock the body nor does it cause pain, but it gets their attention.

And please refrain from personal attacks! Insults are nothing more than a person who has nothing of value to offer

Guybrush · 04-17-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

How about when the dont give an f what you say?? Mine are not that way but its everywhere now cause parents are trying to be to civil. What are you going to do when your child says no I wont go in the corner?? You gonna yell? I feel without the spank you get walked all over. Spanking leaves no attempt to challenge your request. Beating is wrong, spanking is fine...

Please answer that question, what are you gonna do when they tell you there not going to get in that corner? dont say well they will never say that to me cause I'm gonna be super dad/mom, cause they will say no regardless of how wonderful you are... You gonna sit your 2 year old down and have a heart to heart?

Ehf, you stay there and make sure they do their time, I guess. If they try to walk away, you pick them up and put them back in the spot while keeping a cool head. You don't shout because that teaches your kids to shout. They may try to force their will or make you angry by shouting, so you don't and that teaches them that shouting doesn't do anything for them.

Maybe the first few times, it'll take an hour to make your kid do 2 minute timeouts, I'm not saying it's easy. Eventually, they'll get it and accept the punishment without fuzz. So at first, they will test your limits, but when you show them where those limits are and that they are firm, they'll start to accept.

Noone here has claimed that doing timeouts is easier than slapping. In fact, I think it's much harder.

edit :

When I have kids, I'm definetly gonna try and gain some parenting skills through courses. Maybe I can give you a better answer in the future.

Yukon Cornelius · 04-17-2009, 08:32 AM

I understand what your saying. Like I said before, I think that a little pop on the butt is harmless. My kids don't hit other kids because of it. I got a bunch worse than my kids did and I dont resort to hitting ppl.

I also have stated that now It is a little odd to spank my boys. The reason that it is odd is because at a certain age they realize the boundries. They know what no means and its less productive in the way that all it really does is humiliate them after about age 6. So I have gone to talking not shouting and make them read books rather than get a spank. I sometimes take things they like away, that can work against you in certain ways too.

Just like anything you have to choose your battles, as a parent you have to make the rules and stick by them. If you don't you will have footprints on your head day one. It is not as easy as 1,2,3 either. I'm 26 my oldest son is 8 now, so you could imagine.

Bella! · 04-17-2009, 08:51 AM

I agree, Yukon, being consistent in your discipline is extremely important. You have to set the rules, then set the example. The term "monkey see, monkey do" really is true

Unfortunately, childbirth doesn't come with a "how-to" guide. You have to use whatever techniques work for you and your family, and each situation can be different. Heck each child can be different. DNA makes sure each of us is different

djchameleon · 04-17-2009, 04:37 PM

why do they have to be exclusive? why can't you talk to you kids and follow up with a spanking?
actually the other way around.

They will begin to understand why they are getting spanked. Physical discipline is NOT beating/abusing. There are two different levels.

I'm going to raise my kids like the same way as if I'm conditional/training an animal. I'm pretty sure Pavlov's technique can be applied to children also.

Bella! · 04-17-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

why do they have to be exclusive? why can't you talk to you kids and follow up with a spanking?
actually the other way around.

They will begin to understand why they are getting spanked. Physical discipline is NOT beating/abusing. There are two different levels.

I'm going to raise my kids like the same way as if I'm conditional/training an animal. I'm pretty sure Pavlov's technique can be applied to children also.

good luck with that! I dont know how old you are, but come back when you have kids and let us know how it worked out for you.

djchameleon · 04-17-2009, 04:51 PM

what does my age have to do with anything? lol

I know that I'm going to be pretty much torturing my kids psychologically hehe.....I get along so well with kids and I end up having them as my own personal minions. I'd love to have my own person small kids army to fix any of my problems. I would just order 25 of them to attack someone that stole my wallet. Oh almost like in Hostage 2

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04-17-2009, 07:32 AM	#181 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	How about when the dont give an f what you say?? Mine are not that way but its everywhere now cause parents are trying to be to civil. What are you going to do when your child says no I wont go in the corner?? You gonna yell? I feel without the spank you get walked all over. Spanking leaves no attempt to challenge your request. Beating is wrong, spanking is fine... Please answer that question, what are you gonna do when they tell you there not going to get in that corner? dont say well they will never say that to me cause I'm gonna be super dad/mom, cause they will say no regardless of how wonderful you are... You gonna sit your 2 year old down and have a heart to heart? __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...

04-17-2009, 08:32 AM	#186 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	I understand what your saying. Like I said before, I think that a little pop on the butt is harmless. My kids don't hit other kids because of it. I got a bunch worse than my kids did and I dont resort to hitting ppl. I also have stated that now It is a little odd to spank my boys. The reason that it is odd is because at a certain age they realize the boundries. They know what no means and its less productive in the way that all it really does is humiliate them after about age 6. So I have gone to talking not shouting and make them read books rather than get a spank. I sometimes take things they like away, that can work against you in certain ways too. Just like anything you have to choose your battles, as a parent you have to make the rules and stick by them. If you don't you will have footprints on your head day one. It is not as easy as 1,2,3 either. I'm 26 my oldest son is 8 now, so you could imagine. __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...

04-17-2009, 07:57 AM	#182 (permalink)
Bella! Groupie Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 26	Completely unacceptable! Hitting is Hitting is hitting.........it doesn't matter where it is on the body, it is still hitting! Creating physical pain doesn't change a childs behavior, it creates pain. PERIOD. and that is unacceptable in my opinion. would you let your neighbor hit your child? NO....then why should you hit your child? In reply to Yukon Cornelius, when my 2 year old said "no" I simply walked away from them, went to the fridge, got a glass of ice water and threw it on them. That gets the same response as if I would have spanked them.

04-17-2009, 08:51 AM	#187 (permalink)
Bella! Groupie Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 26	I agree, Yukon, being consistent in your discipline is extremely important. You have to set the rules, then set the example. The term "monkey see, monkey do" really is true Unfortunately, childbirth doesn't come with a "how-to" guide. You have to use whatever techniques work for you and your family, and each situation can be different. Heck each child can be different. DNA makes sure each of us is different

04-17-2009, 04:37 PM	#188 (permalink)
djchameleon A.B.N. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY baby Posts: 11,455	why do they have to be exclusive? why can't you talk to you kids and follow up with a spanking? actually the other way around. They will begin to understand why they are getting spanked. Physical discipline is NOT beating/abusing. There are two different levels. I'm going to raise my kids like the same way as if I'm conditional/training an animal. I'm pretty sure Pavlov's technique can be applied to children also.

04-17-2009, 04:51 PM	#190 (permalink)
djchameleon A.B.N. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY baby Posts: 11,455	what does my age have to do with anything? lol I know that I'm going to be pretty much torturing my kids psychologically hehe.....I get along so well with kids and I end up having them as my own personal minions. I'd love to have my own person small kids army to fix any of my problems. I would just order 25 of them to attack someone that stole my wallet. Oh almost like in Hostage 2