it makes me wonder why people have such double standards about the food they eat. sure, it's horrible when animals die because they can scream, but nobody really gives a fuck about the plants that are massacred daily for the sake of the vegetarian.

in all seriousness though, i'm for cleaning up the industry, but it's just supremely naive to suggest that people should stop eating meat because of some qualms you might have with animals being killed for human consumption. there is nothing wrong with eating dead animals (we have canine teeth for a reason). all the same it would certainly be nice to see the industry to start raising them more humanely.

Yeah, but we don't need to eat meat in the quantities that we eat it.
Humans weren't made to eat meat at every meal. Up until fifty-sixty years ago, we weren't.
And the big problem, is factory farmed meat.
it's environmentally catastrophic and unsustainable
it's causing our children to go into puberty way earlier than they should be (laced with hormone)
its system could very easily contribute to a huge human epidemic
its quality is so bad that BAD is all most people know
it's unbelievably cruel and filthy

As far as the whole "you're an animal, eat like one" argument goes, animals do not end up obese in the wild. People are eating like shit.

In other words, it's not inherintly bad to eat meat. Lord baby jesus knows I love it. It's the system which provides Americans with meat that's messed up. Go hunt your own food, don't eat that filthy overprocessed bull.

This is completely true.
There are other ways to get the protein you need.
Nuts, cheese, and even protein supplements and other plans.

I'm also not saying that we shouldn't eat meat (as a whole people), I'm just saying this industry, like SO many others, needs to be reformed.

I ate a bunch of meat as a child, I was right on time.. Show me some proof.



If its as horrible as you say it is I would expect to get sick or shart worms...
what you need to do is compare how often ppl get sick from eating meat vs other things...

Humans are omnivores, I think the amount we eat is up to us... Lets just say millions of people eat less meat... well guess what you still need the slaughterhouses...

Or we could go back to the old days and eat it raw...
I guess I just really don't see a bunch of people sitting around a table at the slaughter house thinking of new ways to hurt a cow... I think it is also its possible that they have gotten used to what they are doing. I guess they don't pet them now before they get the jug.J/k

American Beef: Why is it Banned in Europe?

"Most U. S. beef cattle are implanted with synthetic hormones in feedlots prior to slaughter. On January 1, 1989 the European Economic Community (EEC) placed a ban on hormone-treated U. S. meat, preventing U. S. meat products from being sold in any European nations. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has challenged the ban and accused the EEC of unfair trade practices, but the action of European governments raises some important questions about American meat."

Consumer Concerns About Hormones in Food


"While a variety of hormones are produced by our bodies and are essential for normal development of healthy tissues, synthetic steroid hormones used as pharmaceutical drugs, have been found to affect cancer risk. For example, diethylstilbestrol (DES), a synthetic estrogen drug used in the 1960s was withdrawn from use after it was found to increase the risk of vaginal cancer in daughters of treated women. Lifetime exposure to natural steroid hormone estrogen is also associated with an increased risk for breast cancer (see BCERF Fact Sheet #09 Estrogen and Breast Cancer Risk: What is the Relationship?). Hence, consumers are concerned about whether they are being exposed to hormones used to treat animals, and whether these hormones affect human health. We try to address this complex issue based on scientific evidence that is currently available. "

This is SERIOUSLY the tip of the iceburg if you want proof. It's a very easy subject to research, take two minutes.


I didn't say it was SARS. But it is causing a very unhealthy society and the heart diseases that it's easily caused more deaths than this peanut butter b.s. that's been in the news.



And I said it's ok to eat meat, I eat it. We just eat way too much of it. We've been raised with this idea that we need to eat it at every meal. Our bodies weren't meant to process all that.


It's the factory farming that's the problem. That's where the cramped, filthy conditions are. If we ate less meat we could have nothing but free range farms, and less cruel conditions that are hot beads for diseases to spread.


Everything else you said is retarded. I assume you know this.

So if I eat cow/pork it will have heart disease?? I'm assuming that depends on what part I eat. If i were to eat bacon or prime rib (standing rib, rib eye..) more than i should it may contribute...


So what.. I think that's left up to the person consuming the meat... If you are generally speaking, I can agree with that.

Regardless of how you cut it, there are millions of people in the U.S.... No matter how often or not they eat meat will not impact the need for factory farming... Its like I said earlier, I believe that people judge humane on the level of conscience (in relation to our own) that the animal has, What about chickens?? no one gonna mention them??

Every meal is too much. So much that it's making people unhealthy is too much.
And I totally ignored the environmental impact of factories, with all the waste and pollutants in my last.


But, I've seen you argue with people on here before. I'm not dedicated enough to go back and forth with you if you value winning the debate more than taking information from it. So I'm probably gonna stop here. It's pointless.
Maybe I'll get froggy later and respond to what you got though. Work gets pretty boring.

Your health and your body; which is what he's been saying.

I have no intention of arguing..

Sorry..

Bane is right, I got my pubes at age 3, got a girl pregnant when I was 7.

^ This.

I'm all for organic farming, as long as people don't try to pass it off as being without it's flaws, like being far less able to meet consumer demands. And the utter retardedness of not using pesticides.

I think putting a ban on factory farming like some people want would be a total kick in the balls as far as the economy is concerned, rather than wasting your time trying to stop such an unstopable force, and instead of trying to preach the ways of vegetarianism which just makes you come off as a douche, I think it's more important to just promote organic farmers and organic food products, if enough people simply went organic, the factory farm companies would just die out.

When a new trend comes along it's gotta be a slow moving transition, it can never happen automatically.

I don't eat organic sad to say, too hard to find and too expensive for me. So there's not enough of a market for this, at least from my experience.

No wonder poor people are fatter than wealthy people in this country. :laughing: