Originally Posted by SATCHMO

Now this is the crux of the problem. (And I'm noy directing this at you schredds I'm just using your post to highlight some things)
The aspect of Christianity that surrounds placing your faith in the idea that Christ was any more or less divine or god-created than anyone else is a man-made and borrowed concept.
Fundamentalists and atheists alike put all of their energy into proving and disproving, respectively, the historical accuracy of and biological validity of supernatural events, and in that apologetic process the wisdom that is inherent in the gospels gets swept under the rug, because apparently its not about "loving thy neighbour as you would love yourself" its about how the hell is it possible that mary got knocked up by a deity......its not possible. We try to make it about whether or not Jesus was resurrected from the grave and not about the personal rebirth and transformation that we are all called to to elevate ourselves to our next level of enlightenment. and it's not about whether or not god exists,but whether our lives and society benefit from believing that he or she does.

Originally Posted by Schredds

I dont know if you talking to me, but I did not go to a jewish church.

Originally Posted by pahuuuta

well the only people i can think of that doesnt believe jesus to be the son of god is the jews.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

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Also, I think it's safe to say that basically everybody who isn't a Christian believes that Jesus was not the son of God.

Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

having said that, lets just say this... What do you have to lose if you decide to have faith a certain denomonation?

Originally Posted by Janszoon

intellectual honesty...

Originally Posted by pahuuuta

Well, im probably going to guess most people on here are christians, and sorry to say that i'm not and the bible just doesnt give me enough faith to believe in god, im the kind of person that has to see it to believe it, whether or not that is a good or bad thing. anyway i was reading bits and pieces of the bible and it just has some flaws in it, lets list some shall we?

firstly, the snake taunted adam and eve with a apple from the tree in the garden of eden, correct? the garden of eden "was" located in israel, which is near the mediterranean. . . . .apples DO NOT grow in the mediterranean....

secondly, at one point there was only cain, able and adam and eve, so think about this, where did cain's wife come from?

i will become a christian right now if someone answers that question for me, to this day no one can answer it, it was used in the Scopes Trial (1925). NO ONE CAN ANSWER IT, where did she come from.

So seeing as how not even the biggest christian can answer this question, i will have to say there is no way to defend the biblical record. . . .

discuss.

Originally Posted by Whatsitoosit

Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

not sure where else this debate/thread can go... but I understand the questioning. I do it from time to time... I find when I have faith and pray I feel better about things in general, I guess to me that is more important then trying to be the guy who can debunk particular aspects of religion. Religion in general helps and hurts equally I think... I guess it all depends on which side of the equation you fall into.