How Real Is Christianity?

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 08:15 PM

Go away.

~~coryallen2~~ · 04-04-2009, 08:22 PM

The Bible has many many contridictions. I personally think that if this was real it could have atleast been put together seemlessly. In the following I am going to provide you a list of contridictions.

War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Odd genetic engineering

GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.

Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)
Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."
The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:
Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days."
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

How satisfied with creation was he?
#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

ENJOY!!!!

midnight rain · 04-04-2009, 08:24 PM

^Next time you copy and paste, cite your sources.

Atheists love regurgitating tired old "facts".

I ask atheists on this board one question, are you 100% sure there is no God?

~~coryallen2~~ · 04-04-2009, 08:25 PM

The above is why i try to stay away from organized religion, because in all reality, religion is not organized all. All it is, is a corrupt madness of mystical wonder. Over half of the scrolls where burnt or lost in the time leading up too the fall of the Roman Empire. Not to mention that the hebrew language is not understud as a whole just yet.(heh See guys if I put my mind too it, i make sense.)

~~coryallen2~~ · 04-04-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by zzz

^Next time you copy and paste, cite your sources.

Atheists love regurgitating tired old "facts".

I ask atheists on this board one question, are you 100% sure there is no God?

Hey give me 5 good reasons god is real, no bull crap i felt him in my heart or seen him in a tortilla give me 5 good solid reasons this is all true.
This is a subject i can own people at.

midnight rain · 04-04-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coryallen2

Hey give me 5 good reasons god is real, no bull crap i felt him in my heart or seen him in a tortilla give me 5 good solid reasons this is all true.
This is a subject i can own people at.

1. Go look up the word "faith"

^there's my five

~~coryallen2~~ · 04-04-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzz

1. Go look up the word "faith"

^there's my five

Exactly...You can't even come up with atleast 2 solid answers to my question.

midnight rain · 04-04-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coryallen2

Exactly...You can't even come up with atleast 2 solid answers to my question.

I like you cory, but you can be really inept at times

I was making a point with that post, actually

Terrible Lizard · 04-04-2009, 08:36 PM

I find the musings of Travis Mcgee to be helpful right now.

"I think there is some kind of divine order in the universe. Every leaf on every tree in the world is unique. As far as we can see, there are other galaxies, all slowly spinning, numerous as the leaves in the forest. In an infinite number of planets, there has to be an infinite number with life forms on them. Maybe this planet is one of the discarded mistakes. Maybe it's one of the victories. We'll never know. I think the closest we can get to awareness is when we see one man, under stress, react in ... in a noble way, a selfless way.
to me organized religion, the formalities and routines, it's like being marched in formation to look at a sunset."

Any of system of morality we've established never applies completely I've noticed, but where do acts of selflessness come from? Those are neither the act of logic or of self-preservation, so where does the act of sacrifice originate from?

This and other questions are unanswerable by both parties, and I believe we'll be searching for those answers for a little while longer.

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzz

1. Go look up the word "faith"

^there's my five

Faith by it's definition is believing in something in spite of the lack of evidence. Saying that's evidence for the existence of god is stupid.

04-04-2009, 08:36 PM	#69 (permalink)
Terrible Lizard **ER OF HOLES Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Butt**, Nebraska Posts: 1,211	I find the musings of Travis Mcgee to be helpful right now. "I think there is some kind of divine order in the universe. Every leaf on every tree in the world is unique. As far as we can see, there are other galaxies, all slowly spinning, numerous as the leaves in the forest. In an infinite number of planets, there has to be an infinite number with life forms on them. Maybe this planet is one of the discarded mistakes. Maybe it's one of the victories. We'll never know. I think the closest we can get to awareness is when we see one man, under stress, react in ... in a noble way, a selfless way. to me organized religion, the formalities and routines, it's like being marched in formation to look at a sunset." Any of system of morality we've established never applies completely I've noticed, but where do acts of selflessness come from? Those are neither the act of logic or of self-preservation, so where does the act of sacrifice originate from? This and other questions are unanswerable by both parties, and I believe we'll be searching for those answers for a little while longer. __________________ “YOU ARE SCUM SLUT.” -John Martyn

04-04-2009, 08:22 PM	#62 (permalink)
~~coryallen2~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: lorain,ohio Posts: 909	The Bible has many many contridictions. I personally think that if this was real it could have atleast been put together seemlessly. In the following I am going to provide you a list of contridictions. War or Peace? EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen. Which first--beasts or man? GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. The number of beasts in the ark GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. The sins of the father ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Odd genetic engineering GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. Order of creation Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition: Day 1: Sky, Earth, light Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!) Day 3: Plants Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids) Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.) Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time) Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did) Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good." The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes: Earth and heavens (misty) Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth) Plants Animals Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib) How orderly were things created? #1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days." #2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things) How satisfied with creation was he? #1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied. #2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things) ENJOY!!!!

04-04-2009, 08:24 PM	#63 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	^Next time you copy and paste, cite your sources. Atheists love regurgitating tired old "facts". I ask atheists on this board one question, are you 100% sure there is no God?

04-04-2009, 08:25 PM	#64 (permalink)
~~coryallen2~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: lorain,ohio Posts: 909	The above is why i try to stay away from organized religion, because in all reality, religion is not organized all. All it is, is a corrupt madness of mystical wonder. Over half of the scrolls where burnt or lost in the time leading up too the fall of the Roman Empire. Not to mention that the hebrew language is not understud as a whole just yet.(heh See guys if I put my mind too it, i make sense.)