How Real Is Christianity?

cardboard adolescent · 06-22-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

You are telling me, though, that I should give love to this guy because I will get it back. It might make sense in this instance, but what about a guy like Hitler? Am I to love him? If I were a Jew who went through Auschwitz am I supposed to try and bond with those who persecute me? No. I will bond with those who share my suffering and my values, which have been reduced to almost nothing by the likes of the Nazis.

In a pacifistic sense, yes, I could treat everyone with a certain level of respect no matter what they have done to me. However, I certainly would not call that "love."

Yes, I am telling you that if you were a Jew who went through the concentration camps, you should love Hitler. That seems like the pinnacle of human understanding that everyone should be reaching for.

Inuzuka Skysword · 06-22-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

Yes, I am telling you that if you were a Jew who went through the concentration camps, you should love Hitler. That seems like the pinnacle of human understanding that everyone should be reaching for.

Love Hitler in what way?

cardboard adolescent · 06-22-2009, 12:44 PM

Platonically, preferably. However you are capable, I suppose. To say unconditionally is redundant. Love him as you love yourself, or love him as you hate him. If I have to define what 'type' of love, I guess I'm thinking of a feeling closely related to empathy that involves identifying with someone for their flaws, in the sense that knowing the dark side of what it is to be human helps us overcome ourselves and keeps us modest.

Love him as you love the younger versions of yourself, even if you see them as immature and see yourself as having overcome them.

cavanherk · 06-22-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

Platonically, preferably. However you are capable, I suppose. To say unconditionally is redundant. Love him as you love yourself, or love him as you hate him. If I have to define what 'type' of love, I guess I'm thinking of a feeling closely related to empathy that involves identifying with someone for their flaws, in the sense that knowing the dark side of what it is to be human helps us overcome ourselves and keeps us modest.

Love him as you love the younger versions of yourself, even if you see them as immature and see yourself as having overcome them.

How about being indifferent? Empathetic? Neither love nor hate, neither conditional nor unconditional.

Kool_Dude_HaMeR · 06-22-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

Platonically, preferably. However you are capable, I suppose. To say unconditionally is redundant. Love him as you love yourself, or love him as you hate him. If I have to define what 'type' of love, I guess I'm thinking of a feeling closely related to empathy that involves identifying with someone for their flaws, in the sense that knowing the dark side of what it is to be human helps us overcome ourselves and keeps us modest.

Love him as you love the younger versions of yourself, even if you see them as immature and see yourself as having overcome them.

what you are talking about there, is not love, but understanding.

cardboard adolescent · 06-22-2009, 01:54 PM

wisdom is love, all learning proceeds from the soul

/socrates

SATCHMO · 06-22-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

wisdom is love, all learning proceeds from the soul

/socrates

qft

cavanherk · 06-22-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kool_Dude_HaMeR

what you are talking about there, is not love, but understanding.

"All ya need is understanding, understanding; understanding's all ya need."

JKSmith · 06-22-2009, 06:33 PM

This is like arguing with a bunch of 3-year-olds. Whenever I try to say anything, you just say, "God doesn't because God doesn't exist!" Look around! By chance? Impossible! I'm not trying to convert you, I'm just stating the obvious.

Arya Stark · 06-22-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JKSmith

This is like arguing with a bunch of 3-year-olds. Whenever I try to say anything, you just say, "God doesn't because God doesn't exist!" Look around! By chance? Impossible! I'm not trying to convert you, I'm just stating the obvious.

What the hell are you trying to argue?

You're talking about "God" loving his children or whatever.

Make your point.

06-22-2009, 06:33 PM	#739 (permalink)
JKSmith rocknroll forever Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My little corner of the universe. Posts: 74	This is like arguing with a bunch of 3-year-olds. Whenever I try to say anything, you just say, "God doesn't because God doesn't exist!" Look around! By chance? Impossible! I'm not trying to convert you, I'm just stating the obvious. __________________ "HATE, although an overrated concept, is just one of the basic building blocks of society, and although it does not cause PROGRESS, it does cause society to change, be it for the better or for the worse. LOVE, on the other hand, does cause PROGRESS. Or, at least some type of MORAL MOTIVATION does. Without one of these, there would be no WARS, no REVOLUTIONS, no RISE or FALL of societies, groups or belief systems." --JK Smith

06-22-2009, 12:44 PM	#733 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Platonically, preferably. However you are capable, I suppose. To say unconditionally is redundant. Love him as you love yourself, or love him as you hate him. If I have to define what 'type' of love, I guess I'm thinking of a feeling closely related to empathy that involves identifying with someone for their flaws, in the sense that knowing the dark side of what it is to be human helps us overcome ourselves and keeps us modest. Love him as you love the younger versions of yourself, even if you see them as immature and see yourself as having overcome them.

06-22-2009, 01:54 PM	#736 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	wisdom is love, all learning proceeds from the soul /socrates