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05-11-2010, 12:10 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2010, 01:17 AM | #43 (permalink) | |||||
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If we can get the same kind of potential from adult stem cells, perhaps we don't need to use embryonic stem cells anymore. But you know, walking a mile starts with a single step. The rest of your post contains a lot of unexplained/unsupported statements which I would like to see you elaborate on. Quote:
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You can't see how technology that "takes life" can benefit life. How does a treatment of injecting stem cells into damaged tissue take life? I think you got it mixed up with abortions again. If you want to know how it can benefit life, stem cells can potentially replace any dead/damaged cell in your body from muscle damage, liver, brain, inner ear, you name it! In it's potential for healing, it is beyond any doubt the biggest thing since the discovery of penicillin and I would say even greater.
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05-11-2010, 03:56 PM | #44 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2010, 09:19 PM | #45 (permalink) | |
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I didn't say it is not, I didn't say stem cell research was unethical. I said human embryonic stem research was unethical, base on the fact that it is using human embryos and they gather those human embryo through unethical means. That human embryo is part of the developement of a human being, and the human embryo should not be destroyed nor collected and manipulated and experimented on, nor cloned etc. I guess you do not consider that a human embryo (even though it is simple in structure) is a human being and that it has no value of a human being. But just as it is unthinkable to use a person in an experiment that would destroy that person, it is equally so to use a human embryo.
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05-11-2010, 09:36 PM | #46 (permalink) | |
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I provided a utilitarian argument as to why it is not unethical in this post. I'd like you to provide some more tangible whys as well .. not because I think your opinion is wrong, but right now it looks like you're basing your arguments on a simple "because I say so" To confront you with another question, you think it's unethical to experiment on the fetus because it is a dead human. Why does that make it unethical?
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05-11-2010, 09:36 PM | #47 (permalink) |
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more pro's than cons.. for it
I feel if you were in a situation where someone close to you was in need of this kinda of research to be done that you would be for it. Guess it takes presuading for the immortal. If the woman wants to abort its her call, the research only gives the purpose to the embryo.. Unethical, but with good intent?? Check minus for nay sayers... We're not making Zombies here! We don't just eat the meat, we also use the bones for tools.. This is the way humans are, give it meaning, purpose, and joy... Not a biohazard can or a clothes hanger... Once again lost my dog today.. Bit pissed
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05-11-2010, 10:57 PM | #48 (permalink) | |||
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It sounds like you are saying a human being has two stages a non-human stage and then a human stage. And that the non-human stage (e.g. a human embryo) does not merit moral consideration. That is a little complicated, when does this transition from non-human to human take place? Is it gradual or sudden? And where does this opinion of a non-human human embryo come from? I can not understand why anyone would take that stance that a human embryo is not human. Even if a person is not religious what about the philosphical understanding of a human being, natural law and the ethical treatment of a unborn human being? I like to see you as well to prove that a human embryo is not part of the developement of the human being. If you can prove to me that a human being can skip over the embryonic stage and prove it is not neccessary for or a part of human life then you can start to build your case. Quote:
There is adult stem cell research, which does not rely on the termination of life of a fetus or the use of destroyed embryos. And since there is an ethical way to go about stem cell research it makes the unethical way unnecessary and twice as wrong.
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05-11-2010, 11:13 PM | #49 (permalink) | ||
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If you want to argue against my moral views on stem cell research, at least get the right ones! Good on you for dodging those difficult questions, though So what if a fetus has human DNA? How does that make it deserve to be treated with the same moral consideration you'd have for the average grown-up? Quote:
To extrapolate the kind of view you seem to be promoting, it would be unethical to study a thousands of years old mummy if it's death way back then was by torture. Put in practical terms, I think you should forget the abortions and then focus on whether the research is unethical or not.
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Wether it's ethical or not, you know where I stand, I'm against stem cell research that involves human emrbyos and human fetuses that were aborted.
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