midnight rain

If you guys watch the later parts, they just get more obnoxious and bloated with BS:

Sljslj

To support my original arguement: it was reported that molten steel was found beneath the wreckage, days after the towers' collapse. Jet fuel doesn't melt steel.

On a similar note, supporting the opposition: to my understanding, the steel would not have had melted for the tower to have collapsed; just heated to a certain point and lose some of it's structural capability. That makes sense and explains the collapse without the use of explosives, though it does account for the aforementioned molten steel, which leads me to believe that other explosives were present in the buildings.

I remain in thinking that the US government had some involvement in 9/11 (though it may have been just a sort of " looking the other way"), but some of the conspiracy theorists claims are compelte fabrications, as are some the governement claims.


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Davey Moore

No. We inadvertently caused it by giving the masterminds CIA training in the 1980s.

Also the jet fuel argument, Sljslj is completely overlooking the fact that there were a sh*t-ton of perfectly flammable objects inside the Twin Towers, so really the whole jet fuel thing is irrelevant, it just caused the blaze, it wasn't solely the blaze.

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Sljslj

Objects that are more flammable than jet fuel? I understand that there were flammable things in there, but nothing should have been there that would've caused molten steel to remain days afterward. There are things that our government isn't telling us; whether they're the ones responsible or not (and I'll willingly adnit they weren't given sufficient evidence), they're lieing to us more than most people want to admit.

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Janszoon

How do you know jet fuel can't melt steel?

Anyway, here's a bigger question for you: Assuming there was a government conspiracy to blow up the buildings, what would be the point of using explosives and planes? Why not just use explosives and then blame it on terrorists? In your conspiracy scenario the planes seem like a pointless complication to what would already have to be an extremely elaborate plan.

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Davey Moore

Molten steel was at the bottom due to long-term exposure to the fires burning within the rubble pile.

Steel also weakens about 50% at 648 degrees Celsius and jet fuel burns at 825 degrees Celsius.

These are explanations that make sense. I do not believe our government is competent enough to pull an inside job like this and keep it a secret.

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Janszoon

Exactly.

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Davey Moore

I mean, there are a lot other conspiracies our government tired to get away with and got they got caught. That's exactly why something like this seems so improbable. Supplying arms to the Contra. Bombing Cambodia. The Watergate Scandal.

Maybe in the CIA's cold war prime they could pull sh*t like this off, but that's a big maybe.

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midnight rain

What I find funny is that impressionable people all over the internet will take some punk college kids word over all the experts and structural engineers who believe the conspiracy to be a crock of ****.

I mean how pathetic is this:

^Refers to Dylan Avery, director of Loose Change.

Sljslj I'm not taking you seriously until you stop regurgitating unsubstantiated 'facts' that you took from conspiracy videos and start giving me credible proof and backing that proof up.

mr dave

the first half ignores the fact that the jet fuel would simply become the active element in a greater fire - much like what Janszoon and Davey Moore stated.

what exactly do you mean by the statement - nothing should have been there that would've caused molten steel to remain days afterwards. really though, what do you expect the molten steel to do? reform itself into structural supports as it cools?

i also like how your second half reads like every paranoid anti-government rant i've ever seen, and how you totally dropped the thermite thing.

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