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Originally Posted by Dirty
I can't even think of anything more cowardly at the moment. When you are at the point in life where you want to kill yourself, a real man acknowledges he needs help. A real man faces his problems and issues and moves past them. A real man doesn't take the coward way out and kill himself. No matter how depressed you are, you still realize deep down the affect it is gonna have on other people.
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I couldn't disagree more. When people get to the point of suicide, they're not doing it as a "f*ck you" to everyone else, they're doing it to end their suffering. Not all problems have solution, and not all issues in life can be mended by seeking help or counseling.
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Originally Posted by Dirty
(Post 1034891)
And none of us here have committed suicide obviously so lets not pretend anyone who has been depressed knows what a suicide coward is going through mentally.
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How can you speak for everyone? How do you know what everyone is thinking? Many people have been to that point but not gone through with it. I've been there myself. When things get bad enough that you're in that mindset, you'd give anything to just get away from the pain. Whether it's suicide or just up and moving to the other side of the world, something has to be done. It has absolutely nothing to do with other people.
Is committing suicide any more selfish than your family or friends expecting you to live in misery just to appease them?
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Originally Posted by Ian E Coleman
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But if they went to war and died defending Amurika, and left a wife and kids behind, they would be patriotic heros.
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Exactly.
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Originally Posted by djchameleon
(Post 1034953)
When people are depressed and suicidal they become very selfish and only think of themselves. Woe is me? why doesn't anyone care? why should I even bother? If I go it's not like anyone is going to care? blah blah blah...loads of whining and being super selfish.
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There's a difference between being whiny and selfish, and being realistic about your situation. Everyone'e scenario is different and unique. Would you rather a person divorce their wife, leave their family, cut all ties from society, and THEN commit suicide? That seems to nullify everyone's claims of "selfishness."
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Originally Posted by pooka
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so in my opinion id rather be depressed than dead because you at least do feel something.
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So you'd rather feel pain and suffering than nothing at all?
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian
(Post 1035019)
Suggesting that it's brave or noble to succeed in suicide is a bit deplorable.
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The Japanese have viewed 'seppeku' (a ritual self-disembowelment at their own hands, as a way to die with honor) as a most noble and respectable act for centuries.
And some guy named JESUS also chose to die when he could have easily stopped it. No one is calling him a coward for choosing to die.
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Originally Posted by Dirty
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What's your point here? Are you comparing suicide to dying in war? How are they similar in any way other than the result being death?
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Both require the 'selfish' act of 'abandoning' your family and loved ones, which everyone here seems to feel is the main reason for believeing that suicide is cowardly.
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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe
(Post 1035085)
Yes, you seem like a very credible medical professional.
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Anyone who believes that he is a "medical professional" or "drug counselor" needs to have their head examined. Apparently Wikipedia and a DSL connection makes everyone a f*cking expert. Last week he was a college student studing philosophy and religion, now he's a heroine addict turned drug counselor, next week he's going to be the King of England. What a joke.
