Ok, so you disagree that real men rise and face their issues? So it's cowardly to do that? :laughing: Wow ok. And yes, suicide is way more selfish than your family 'expecting to live in misery." They expect you to rise to the challenge and not be a coward and kill yourself and leave their lives in shambles. Your kids expect you to be a role model and not be a loser who chooses to kill themselves for their own selfish reasons. And as for the military comparison... What a terrible comparison of two different things. Yeah, soldiers are pretty selfish alright! Making money for their family, sacrificing themselves for their country, etc. What selfish bastards!! So selfish that they never even get to see any of their friends of families! Please gimme a break, a war casualty is way different from a suicide and I think you know that.



Oh god. The "well you responded so you do care" and "Nuh uh! i don't care at all!" argument. I see it brewing already. :usehead:

try harder

:usehead:

plum why do you want to instigate? are you bored, or mad?

Oh am I instigating?

You can keep saying that, but how can you know that? You very possibly could be wrong.

I don't think it's cowardly at all and I don't think you have the right to state this as a fact because you know as little about this as I do.
It's acceptable, definitely. Not normal and not the way to do it if you ask me. But it's never cowardly. Death is never the easy way out.

Dirty, we're not going to agree on this and it's not going to end well.
I have my way of thinking about this, you think you have the facts altough you can't.
We're done. On to the next discussion ;).

No, I'm saying that not everything can be classified as either "cowardly" or "not cowardly." Life isn't alway black and white.

While I respect your opinion, this as just one specific, hypothetical situation that you seem to be applying to ALL suicides. Not everyone who kills themself has a wife and child depending on them, each situation is unique. Unless we have specific details redarding the suicide (the circumstances, the mindset, all mitigating factors, etc.), we (I'm including myself in this) can't just lump ALL suicides into being "cowardly" or "not cowardly."

While it is not the fairest comparison, I was agreeing because it is just arguing the point to the extreme. Everyone here is saying that it is "cowardly" based on the fact that it leaves your family out to dry. These are all just hypotheticals. What if the person has no family? What if their suicide allots their family millions of dollars from a life insurance policy? What if the person was abusive, and killing themself allows their family to finally live a safe and happy life? What if they were psychotic and killed themself before they killed someone else? These are ALL equally hypothetical, and negate all of the factors that you are using to deem suicide as "cowardly."




And from the progression of this thread, it appears that the rationale for deciding whether suicide is "cowardly" or not is whether or not the user has been in that position or mindset themself. Until you've been there, it seems that you see it as cowardly. If they have been there, they see it as not cowardly. Just an observation.

Well you cannot choose to live life and get depressed.
You can choose not to go into the army and get married, have kids.
I think the latter is more selfish.
But then I am very anti-army anti-militant etc.

Alright s_k here's a question for ya... Do you think someone who is depressed is able to realize the impact their death will cause to their children, spouse, relatives, etc?

oojay, I am taking this from the mindset that I feel like nearly everyone has at least one person on earth who would suffer as a result of their suicide. And I am sure there are people out there who would literally not be missed by one single person. There may be situations where suicide wouldn't be cowardly but I can't think of them. Aside from having a family, even a complete loner is a coward for committing suicide. Because like I said, someone with guts is able to get up when they are down. They face challenges and take them on instead of giving up all hope. I really don't have a problem with loners killing themselves to be honest, but I do think it's a cowards move.

And as for the last part of your post, I think that the people who have been in a deep depression don't think it's cowardly because that would kind of suggest they are a bit cowardly as well, which nobody wants to do.

I don't think someone who is at the point to kill himself has the mental capability to think about anything anymore. So definitely not, no.
Let's make things clear; I think everyone should get help when they can. If it isn't for the sake of themselves, it should be for the sake of their loved ones. Right?
It's just the suicide (attempt) itself I'm talking about. When you are about to commit suicide, you are too far gone to think about these things.

You must have been in a situation where you were so sad or angry that you said stuff you really shouldn't have said. Destroyed stuff. Later thinking to yourself 'what have I done...'. Something like that, only much more overwhelming.

Why is there a http://www.musicbanter.com/images/icons/icon13.gif above my posting?
Edit: Oh it's gone. Strange.