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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1556452)

The claim you made is suicide is not a choice, but the facts say otherwise. Everyone has acknowledged that in some cases or even the majority it may not be a choice, but there is possibility for it to be one, and even if only 0.0000001% of the time it's a choice then your claim is wrong.

I don't know if I agree with this. First we have to define exactly what you mean by choice, but how would you even test this? Maybe I missed the evidence that was presented.

The problem is you are just attaching your stigma that anyone who want's to die MUST be mentally ill, and writing off anyone who attempts to show you examples of stable people that opt for suicide.

You can check this out, but I doubt it will change your mind: 'Death with Dignity' Advocate Brittany Maynard Has Died | RTM - RightThisMinute

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1556454)

Does having a mental illness make it okay to be an insufferable asshole to several well-intentioned people all at once? Way to immediately use your (unconfirmed) problems as a shield the second someone calls you out for being a shithead.

You disgust me, and your problems don't change that. Someone can need help but not deserve it, and you certainly have done nothing to deserve my respect or compassion or anyone else's for that matter. If you want to play the victim card you should probably be a little more level-headed in the discussions before you start playing that card. Maybe then I could summon a shred of sympathy for you.

I'm a Psych major that wants to help people that are actually good people that recognize they have a problem and are seeking out help for that problem. I have no desire to help douchebags that try to insult the intelligence (which is HILARIOUSLY ironic considering the genetics that factor into it) of people that I have a ton of respect for and that I know for a fact are extremely intelligent like Frownland for example. You could only hope to be remotely as interesting as he is. But alas, you're just a generic internet cunt who thinks he can be a jerk and then bring up his "problems" and then suddenly everything you said should be forgiven.

I never said that you should forgive me for your perception of me. Feel free to hate me and be disgusted me based on your perception. Hate me for what I do that affects you. It's like if your dad is dying of cancer, and we get into a fight, and I say "Fine, have fun with your cancer dad." It's just immature to bring things like that into it. It's very middle schooley. You're allowed to hate me. I welcome your hatred. But don't bring my abuse filled childhood into it and try to use it against me. As someone who is aspiring to work in the psych field, you should know that comments like that... that was way ****tier than anything I said to anyone here.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1556458)

You can check this out, but I doubt it will change your mind: 'Death with Dignity' Advocate Brittany Maynard Has Died | RTM - RightThisMinute

I don't know, I think that the trauma of having terminal cancer can induce signs of extreme depression and an uncopeable emotional pain.

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Originally Posted by Xurtio (Post 1556456)

I don't know if I agree with this. First we have to define exactly what you mean by choice, but how would you even test this? Maybe I missed the evidence that was presented.

I'm not bringing the whole free will debate back into this. By choice I mean rather you are in a rational state of mind deciding to objectively end your life versus a mental illness causing you to want to commit suicide.

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty (Post 1556460)

I don't know, I think that the trauma of having terminal cancer can induce signs of extreme depression and an uncopeable emotional pain.

You watched a 6 minute video in 2 minutes? Clearly you don't actually care to learn anything outside of your bubble.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1556461)

You watched a 6 minute video in 2 minutes? Yeh and responded to it 2 minutes later. Clearly you don't actually care to learn anything outside of your bubble.

It was already linked a while back...

Terminally Ill Woman Opts for 'Death with Dignity' | RTM - RightThisMinute (~2:25 she explains her own death..)

If this doesn't work I don't know what else I can show you.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1556461)

By choice I mean rather you are in a rational state of mind deciding to objectively end your life versus a mental illness causing you to want to commit suicide.

But it seems you've determined this from the percentage of people that commit suicide and have mental disorders, correct? But people with mental disorders can act rationally and people that don't have a history of mental disorders can have a break down and commit suicide. How do we really tell whether it was a choice or not in each case?

All we can really say is you're more likely to commit suicide if you have a mental disorder. But what about when having a mental disorder is a miserable existence and alienates you from people and you end it to end the suffering (that you haven't elsewise been able to make stop)?

Not correct. Myself and others have simply been saying that there are instances when suicide is a choice (an objective, clear minded, sane decision). Can you explain to me how the video I just linked of the woman describing how she is going to die is a symptom and not her choice?

I'm no psych major.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1556472)

Ah, I agree with you; for some reason I perceived your post as the absolute one.