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grtwhtgrvty 02-23-2015 05:32 AM

It's impossible for suicide to be cowardly because suicide isn't a choice -- it is a symptom.

DwnWthVwls 02-23-2015 06:24 AM

No it isn't. Minion fail.

It can be but it's not always.

RoxyRollah 02-23-2015 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty (Post 1555708)
It's impossible for suicide to be cowardly because suicide isn't a choice -- it is a symptom.

Of what exactly? There is a clear definative choice to stop living or not. What the motives are is where it becomes a grey area.

grtwhtgrvty 02-23-2015 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1555715)
Of what exactly? There is a clear definative choice to stop living or not. What the motives are is where it becomes a grey area.


Nope. Wrong. Suicide can't be a choice because it's a symptom of mental illness.

Suicide is like jumping out of a burning building, the burning building being your psyche, the fire being depression, for example. You would never reference someone jumping out of a burning building as a clear, definitive choice, rather something more instinctual, a knee jerk reaction.

When someone commits suicide, it means that their depression (for example) killed them. Depression isn't a personality trait. When someone commits suicide, they are not experiencing rational thought. The pain of existence is so overwhelming that in a knee jerk reaction, they end it.

It's not a conscious choice. It's a knee jerk reaction. No one chooses suicide. To have that point of view demonstrates a great deal of ignorance on suicide. If you pulled up any official source they would say exactly what I'm saying. Anyone who thinks that suicide is a choice, and a cowardly one at that, really needs to educate themselves on what suicide is and how mental illness actually works, because that is an opinion of incredible ignorance.

Even if suicide was a choice, I would never call it cowardly. I think choosing (hypothetically assuming that suicide is a choice) to kill yourself actually takes a great deal of courage.

You should pick this book up and read it http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...rkness_Visible

It's very important that you understand where these kinds of thoughts and actions actually come from. You will never ever find a psychologist that references suicide as a choice.

grtwhtgrvty 02-23-2015 01:19 PM

ITT: A bunch of people who have never even cracked open a psychology textbook.

Frownland 02-23-2015 01:44 PM

Every person who commits suicide suffers from depression and every instance of depression is identical. Fact.

grtwhtgrvty 02-23-2015 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1555877)
Every person who commits suicide suffers from depression and every instance of depression is identical. Fact.

Did you even read what I ****ing wrote to be honest

Mondo Bungle 02-23-2015 01:47 PM

Not if you're killing yourself to appease Azerate
Jon Nödtveidt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Frownland 02-23-2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty (Post 1555879)
Did you even read what I ****ing wrote to be honest

Yes that's why I thought I'd sum it up for everyone in case they felt like tl;dring.

ITT: someone who never takes a critical look at theories he reads and generalizes them.

Mondo Bungle 02-23-2015 01:50 PM

The Satanist decides of his own life and death and prefers to go out with a smile on his lips when he has reached his peak in life, when he has accomplished everything, and aim to transcend this earthly existence. But it is completely un-satanic to end one's own life because one is sad or miserable. The Satanist dies strong, not by age, disease or depression, and he chooses death before dishonor! Death is the orgasm of life! So live life accordingly, as intense as possible!


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