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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 2008680)

There are alternative ways to educate but not really alternative ways to prevent the Spanish Flux.

Cool story bro.

Natural Vaccination Alternatives For You And Your Kids

Vaccination: Risks and Alternatives

Homeoprophylaxis: The Safe & Proven Effective Alternative To Toxic Vaccines

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2008692)

Cool story bro.

Homeoprophylaxis: The Safe & Proven Effective Alternative To Toxic Vaccines

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:laughing: homeopathic vaccinations. Also known as an IV.

You know what, enjoy your vaccines and autism. You're all right and I'm wrong, as usual. Peace.

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 2008653)

I guess OH would say, "**** it this is an exception. Pandemics shouldn't be a choice."

Yep

Congratulations on finding an inconsistency in my politics elph

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2008670)

No, if you reject BOTH claims, then no one gets vaccinated, and you, by default, go with the claim that it is unsafe to vaccinate. #Pragamatism

Thats not how that works. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2008701)

You know what, enjoy your vaccines and autism. You're all right and I'm wrong, as usual. Peace.

I did overhear my doctor call the flu vaccine the “Jew” vaccine

What do you think that means?

He probably meant, "This vaccine is all Jew, esé."

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2008660)

should the flu shot be mandatory for adults?

not directly comparing, but I just wonder if anyone would take that position

Why not? The flu killed 80,000 people last year, including Chio’s brother

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2008701)

You know what, enjoy your vaccines

Way ahead of you!

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and autism.

Don't be so [redacted because the joke is too easy]

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I'm wrong

About damn time you up and admitted it.

Victim complexes may be in style but it's nagl my dude. If you view criticism on your ideas as criticism of you, then that means that you're too emotionally tied to your stance to be swayed.

You ever think that maybe there's an internet-bred conspiracy theory industry that sends its kids to college using money made off of gullible people who think that their gullibility for stupid **** that seems underground/esoteric/or a part of the list of WHAT THEY DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW is the same as genuine logical skepticism and that it's ridiculously easy money with no specific *AGENDA* that aligns with it because the world is chaotic and easy answers don't exist? No, of course you didn't think that.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2008716)

Victim complexes may be in style.

I'm not Chula. You can't get away with relegating our disagreements to me having a victim complex. You should know that by now.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2008716)

If you view criticism on your ideas as criticism of you, then that means that you're too emotionally tied to your stance to be swayed.

My opinions are fluid, but when I'm told that my current opinions are wrong, whilst being presented with nothing of substance to change them, it pisses me off.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2008716)

You ever think that maybe there's an internet-bred conspiracy theory industry that sends its kids to college using money made off of gullible people who think that their gullibility for stupid **** that seems underground/esoteric/or a part of the list of WHAT THEY DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW is the same as genuine logical skepticism and that it's ridiculously easy money with no specific *AGENDA* that aligns with it because the world is chaotic and easy answers don't exist? No, of course you didn't think that.

No, there most definitely Is such an industry. The difference between them and me is that they try to profit off of it by selling you counter-propaganda to the original propaganda and by selling "miracle cures." I, on the other hand, try to help people for free and open their eyes, imploring them to do their own research. And such a conspiratorial industry was around way before the internet.

You are basically saying that Russian Roulette is safe because statistically 5/6 people don't get hurt.

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2008728)

I'm not Chula. You can't get away with relegating our disagreements to me having a victim complex. You should know that by now.

Sorry, your posts touting how much of a sad victim you were against the meanie [anything] supporters just reeks of a victim complex.

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My opinions are fluid, but when I'm told that my current opinions are wrong, whilst being presented with nothing of substance to change them, it pisses me off.

Literally everybody says this, I'm not just going to take your word for it, especially since it conflicts with virtually all of your actions on this forum. Demonstrate, don't dictate.

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="I enjoy the self-assigned glory that comes with getting it *right* and am more concerned about being right than actually making truth valued"

Quit jacking yourself off.

Anti-vaxxers baffle me. With my eight children, I have more vaccination experience than anyone I know, and my kids have never had a problem. Not one of them ever had a bad reaction, and none of them have suffered any long-term ill effects. I truly don't understand why people think vaccines cause autism or whatever, either. Maybe it's poor American medical practices?

I'm not an "anti-vaccer," I'm saying that there are superflous ingredients in vaccines that have harmful, lasting effects.

Maybe it's an American thing?

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2008791)

I'm not an "anti-vaccer," I'm saying that there are superflous ingredients in vaccines that have harmful, lasting effects.

So you're anti-vaccine.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2008798)

So you're anti-vaccine.

I'm anti-dangerous vaccines.

Do you think the poisoning is intentional?

They put in extra ingredients [adjuvants] to prolong the shelf life of vaccines. Those extra ingredients tend to have harmful and sometimes devastating effects.

There’s no poisoning ffs

If you, a random dude(?) on the internet, knows about adjuvants, why isn't there an outcry? How can you know about this poison and yet no one is doing anything about it on a social / political level?

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2008807)

They put in extra ingredients [adjuvants] to prolong the shelf life of vaccines. Those extra ingredients tend to have harmful and sometimes devastating effects.

I could make this argument about the food industry as well. Pretty funny actually. :thumb: Id be willing to bet the negative health effects of things like high fructose corn syrup are consistently more determental on a % basis than thimerosal from vaccines over the span of human life.

Here is some food for thought:

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/merc-hg.html

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NIOSH REL: 0.01 mg/m3 TWA, 0.03 mg/m3 STEL [skin]

Current OSHA PEL: 0.01 mg/m3 TWA, 0.04 mg/m3 CEILING

1989 OSHA PEL: 0.01 mg/m3 TWA, 0.03 mg/m3 STEL [skin]

1993-1994 ACGIH TLV: 0.01 mg/m3 TWA, 0.03 mg/m3 STEL [skin]

Description of substance: Varies

Original (SCP) IDLH: 10 mg Hg/m3

Basis for original (SCP) IDLH: The chosen IDLH is based on the statement by ACGIH [1971] that mice died within 3 to 5 hours at 10 to 30 mg/m3 organic mercury [Trakhtenberg 1950]. The chosen IDLH seems reasonable because NIOSH [1976] cited a mouse intraperitoneal LDLO for dipropylmercury of 2 mg/kg [NRC 1952]. If the IDLH were estimated from this information, a value of 14 mg/m3 would be obtained.

Short-term exposure guidelines: None developed

ACUTE TOXICITY DATA:

Lethal concentration data:

Species Reference LC50 LCLo Time Adjusted 0.5-hrLC (CF) Derived value
HgC4H10Rat Russkykh &Frolova 1973 258 mg/m3 —– ? ? ?
HgC4H10Mouse Russkykh &Frolova 1973 91 mg/m3 —– ? ? ?
Hg (organo) alkylMouse Trakhtenberg 1950 —– 10-30 mg/m3 3 hr 18-54 mg Hg/m3 (1.8) 1.8-5.4 mg Hg/m3
Hg (organo) alkylMouse Trakhtenberg 1950 —– 10-30 mg/m3 5 hr 22-26 mg Hg/m3 (2.2) 2.2-2.6 mg Hg/m3

Lethal dose data:

Species Reference Route LD50(mg/kg) LDLo(mg/kg) Adjusted LD Derived value
HgC4H10Rat Izmerov et al. 1982 oral 51 —– 278 mg Hg/m3 28 mg Hg/m3
HgC4H10Mouse Izmerov et al. 1982 oral 44 —– 240 mg Hg/m3 24 mg Hg/m3
HgC4H6O4Rat Grin et al. 1973 oral 40.9 —– 180 mg Hg/m3 18 mg Hg/m3
HgC4H6O4Mouse Grin et al. Grin et al. 1973 oral 23.9 —– 105 mg Hg/m3 11 mg Hg/m3
HgC6H12O6Rat Frear 1969 oral 200 —– 742 mg Hg/m3 74 mg Hg/m3
HgC6H14Mouse NRC 1952 i.p. —– 1.9 9.3 mg Hg/m3 0.9 mg Hg/m3

Human data: Deaths have resulted from 3 months exposure to diethyl mercury at an estimated concentration of 1 mg/m3 [Hill 1943]. The lethal dose of methyl mercury is estimated to be 200 mg, with paresthesia of the hands, feet, and mouth occurring at a total body burden of 40 mg [Bakir et al. 1973]. [Note: An oral dose of 200 mg of methyl mercury is equivalent to a worker being exposed to about 125 mg Hg/m3 for 30 minutes, assuming a breathing rate of 50 liters per minute and 100% absorption.]

Revised IDLH: 2 mg Hg/m3Basis for revised IDLH: The revised IDLH for mercury (organo) alkyl compounds is 2 mg Hg/m3 based on acute toxicity data in humans [Bakir et al. 1973; Hill 1943] and animals [Trakhtenberg 1950].

https://www.nvic.org/faqs/mercury-thimerosal.aspx

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Manufacturers began voluntarily removing Thimerosal from pediatric vaccines around 2000. It is assumed that most pediatric vaccines containing Thimerosal were “off the shelves” by 2003. (No vaccines were recalled.) Even so, most infants are still routinely given Thimerosal-containing influenza vaccine even though there are Thimerosal-free and vaccines with trace amounts of Thimerosal. Infants receiving a Thimerosal-containing influenza vaccine are dosed at 6 months with 12.5 mcg of ethyl mercury and at 7 months with an additional 12.5 mcg. Adult Thimerosal-containing vaccines contain roughly 25mcg.

More white people stickers, please.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 2008812)

*sound of Merit reevaluating his life*

2/3 ain't bad. Well, Obama is half, so...5/6 actually, which is even better!

Considering that most of us were vaccinated as babies without being able to give consent, as adults, it should behoove us to do our due diligence on this matter and research what was forcefully injected into our tiny bodies. Is it that hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2008688)

emotive reasoning has no place in science

DWV, I 100% agree about the food preservative tantamouncy.

But we have to look at it like this: A tiny amount of certain things can f*ck you up for life and even kill you. So, I'm not asking anyone to take my word for it, but I am encouraging you all to research the things that affect you.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2008847)

Inside of froundland's head: "If I quote myself, people will realize that I REALLY did mean what I said before, and my ego will grow exponentially!" Oh glorious day!"

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2008849)

What he said.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2008855)

What he said.

Church

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2008895)

Church

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2008901)

Church

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2008641)

Not in the mood tonight. Try me.

30 Solid Scientific Studies That Proves Vaccines Cause Autism

did you look into these studies?

What a silly question.

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Originally Posted by Ninetales (Post 2008936)

did you look into these studies?

Some of them. I went down the list, finding info on each one to do an in-depth write-up, but lost it when my hard drive crashed.

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2009061)

Some of them. I went down the list, finding info on each one to do an in-depth write-up, but lost it when my hard drive crashed.

Did it have a virus?