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Old 08-31-2013, 01:50 PM   #171 (permalink)
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these people are not concerned with equal rights as much as they are concerned with everyone feelin sorry for their oppresion and their extreme need for constantly standin on a soapbox
Spot on. My main issue with Feminism is the hypocrisy and that they claim they're about equality when they're not, not anymore anyway, they're just fucking not . I find it funny how you don't hear feminists whinge about this sort of shit when it applies to or inconveniences men, quick glob off Google:

Dermot O'Leary gets groped at the X Factor auditions - 3am & Mirror Online

The way it's been laughed off by the paper is ridiculous:

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If you need me to tell you that if the genders were switched the bloke would be looking at a conviction and joining the sex offender's register well then you (not you, but y'know) can go and fucking fart yourself to death. I'm not bothered about this when you isolate it but when these victim cunts whinge about slut shaming every fucking 2 seconds and rape and so on I lol out loud.

And lol at the second quote I posted... So just to confirm, we are allowed to say women like being sexually assaulted now, right? They say they want equality don't they? Are feminists campaigning for men's car insurance rates to be the same as women, or for female tennis players to be paid less as they do less work? Oh no, God no, of course not because it favours the woman. If they're about equality they should be campaigning for that. But of course they're not, so they don't. Makes sense.

I remember this story:

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Judge Slater added: 'The tribunal concludes that the claimant was put at the disadvantage suffered by women and persons of her age group in that she failed the test and was not able to complete the training.'
"I didn't fail because I'm old and fat and incompetent, I failed because the test is SEXIST!"

Now we can look forward to even further reduced police standards -- hooray!

And did you know that the military holds women to lower physical standards than men?

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Fitness standards - British Army Website

That's not equality -- equality would be offering women the equal opportunity to join the military and holding them to equal standards to men. What it is, is positive discrimination -- sexism, in other words. Now we have under-qualified women hindering our military forces. When feminists start addressing shit like this instead of bitching on Tumblr because a man had the audacity to hold a fucking door open for them out of kindness, I'll take these victim cunts seriously.
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Old 08-31-2013, 03:01 PM   #172 (permalink)
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Ugh, I knew this would happen.

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The rub being that 99% of the time it's the man asking the woman out, so it's still BS.
I think a lot of men don't like women to court them because they might feel emasculated in some way. This is something that society has engrained into them and I wish it would go away. So:

a) A woman who'd like to ask a man out probably won't, because he might get scared off by her aggressiveness even if he's interested. So yes, there are probably more women than you would think who want to initiate a date or a relationship, but most of them won't act on it because women are not wired to be the dominant "chaser", if you will.

b) Men are biologically wired to take care of their mate and provide for them. So when the opposite happens they don't know what the fuck to do, and they back off.

I can't say that this is totally accurate, but it's just based off stories from people I know, things I've read about dating on the Internet and in books, and my own experiences with trying to ask people on dates.

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lol aka men pay for dates


first date ok


after that lets alternate or split the bill
And this is generally what happens as a relationship progresses, which is fine and normal. You can't have one person paying for everything.

I should have just kept my mouth shut like a good woman and retreated back into the kitchen.
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I tried many times to pay the bills from when my boyfriend were out together. He often got annoyed because I wanted to pay for a few things and he always paid for EVERYTHING. In the end I let him keep doing it but made sure he knew I appreciated it.
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I tried many times to pay the bills from when my boyfriend were out together. He often got annoyed because I wanted to pay for a few things and he always paid for EVERYTHING. In the end I let him keep doing it but made sure he knew I appreciated it.
It's because Eastern Europe and the Balkans have a more traditional approach to dating and courting women. They will do all the asking and pay for everything whether the woman likes it or not and are generally blindsided when the tables are turned.
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It's because Eastern Europe and the Balkans have a more traditional approach to dating and courting women. They will do all the asking and pay for everything whether the woman likes it or not and are generally blindsided when the tables are turned.
That's really interesting, I am grateful that I had such a wonderful experience with him. I don't mind people paying for things as long as they never hold it against me later down the track. Sigh. I miss him.
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That's really interesting, I am grateful that I had such a wonderful experience with him. I don't mind people paying for things as long as they never hold it against me later down the track.
Yeah, things will get messy if they start blackmailing you or acting like you owe them a favour.

Also I found this while looking up why those guys are like that: How to date a Balkan man - Topix

Half of it really isn't true but it's fucking funny.

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It's because Eastern Europe and the Balkans have a more traditional approach to dating and courting women. They will do all the asking and pay for everything whether the woman likes it or not and are generally blindsided when the tables are turned.
Hey! It's not just eastern Europe ya know! Us Irish are legendary for our generosity and knowing how to treat a lady. Well, some of us are. Well, okay, one of us. And I'm not legendary. Not yet. But I do come from the old school that says if a woman agrees to go out with you then you take care of her and she doesn't pay for anything. "Yer money's no good here..."

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That's really interesting, I am grateful that I had such a wonderful experience with him. I don't mind people paying for things as long as they never hold it against me later down the track. Sigh. I miss him.
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Yeah, things will get messy if they start blackmailing you or acting like you owe them a favour.

Also I found this while looking up why those guys are like that: How to date a Balkan man - Topix

Half of it really isn't true but it's fucking funny.

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I adore the pages you recommended! If he doesn't do what he's told he will get told off!

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Hey! It's not just eastern Europe ya know! Us Irish are legendary for our generosity and knowing how to treat a lady. Well, some of us are. Well, okay, one of us. And I'm not legendary. Not yet. But I do come from the old school that says if a woman agrees to go out with you then you take care of her and she doesn't pay for anything. "Yer money's no good here..."

Flame, laugh, jeer and mock all you want: this is how I was brought up and I wouldn't change it.
Irish people to me seem naturally kind and polite. Plus, you gave us the Cranberries! That's definitely a sweet thing by looking after the lady and making sure she gets fed.

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Awww thanks Trollheart, I'm not sure we're going to make it last but we'll see.
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I think a lot of men don't like women to court them because they might feel emasculated in some way. This is something that society has engrained into them and I wish it would go away. So:

a) A woman who'd like to ask a man out probably won't, because he might get scared off by her aggressiveness even if he's interested. So yes, there are probably more women than you would think who want to initiate a date or a relationship, but most of them won't act on it because women are not wired to be the dominant "chaser", if you will.

b) Men are biologically wired to take care of their mate and provide for them. So when the opposite happens they don't know what the fuck to do, and they back off.

I can't say that this is totally accurate, but it's just based off stories from people I know, things I've read about dating on the Internet and in books, and my own experiences with trying to ask people on dates.
Probably at least partially accurate. I think in addition to this, women acting aggressively/asking men out is stigmatized as 'desperate' behavior. Even flirting too aggressively can earn a woman this label.

I think the explanation for this is that women compete as passive selectors in the same way that men compete as active aggressors. It seems that the mating ideal for a woman is to be able to attract the man she wants without actually going after him, and not being able to do this is counted as a mark against her.

As for why that is... women might use this stigma to keep sexual rivals in check, and since the rule of thumb is men = aggressive women = passive, men might misinterpret an aggressive woman as a desperate woman, which they would link with a lack of confidence, which is a turn-off for either sex.
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