Got Feminism?

djchameleon · 10-05-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

We actually need it for reproductive purposes.

Yeah but you gain it during that process for those purposes.

Trollheart · 10-06-2013, 08:54 AM

People shouldn't discount being a housewife as an easy or lazy job. Look at the facts: a woman's work (as a housewife) probably begins about, maybe 7 am. Get up, make breakfast, lunches, get kids up, to school etc. They come in at 4-ish, finished school. She's still going. Husband comes in maybe 7/8. Her day isn't even half over. It might end around midnight but it might go on, depending on whether the kids are sick, unable to sleep etc. Whether you include the sex in this as "part of the job" is a determination each of you can make. Personally I don't.

This job is a seven-day-a-week deal, no days off, not even Christmas. No holidays, unless the kids are old enough to look after themselves for a few weeks/ young enough to be packed off to a relative. The woman does not get paid, at least not here: the husband will dole out a pittance he laughingly calls her "wages" or more likely "the housekeeping", out of which she is expected to feed, clothe and maintain the family and pay bills. On top of all that, housewife is not recognised as a job and so there is generally no appreciation for all the hard work the wife does, but without her the household would collapse.

My own mother (yeah yeah) worked THREE jobs IN ADDITION to being our mother when my scumbag excuse for a father ****ed off. Prior to that he had been a glorified beggar, collecting for a charity door to door. This was his paying job! So who had the lazier time? He used to get asked in (I know, cos I went with him a few times when on summer holidays) for cups of tea, to chat, see the TV (this is Ireland after all) while my mother was running herself ragged trying to keep the house together. Then he'd come home and expect his dinner on the table. As did we. Ungrateful bastards that we were.

Don't tell me women take lazy jobs: cleaning three different office buildings a night and then coming home to clock in to your "other" job: how many of us guys would do that??

djchameleon · 10-06-2013, 10:37 AM

You completely missed the point of the guy in the video mentioning those jobs. He mentioned them as the reason why there is a wage gap between men and women.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 10-06-2013, 10:54 AM

trollheart much respect to your mother. of course havin 3 jobs isnt lazy. the first part of your post tho i see as a gross dramatization of a housewife. i will never buy into the idea that its somehow a tough job. tell that to some coal miners, roofers, construction workers, etc

lets just call it like it is. im tired of everyone exagerating or downplaying things to make everythin sound equal. women do less dangerous jobs, they do less risky jobs. its factual, look at stats. its a legit reason why men make more than women. men and women are not equal or the same. men have skill sets that lend themselves to certain jobs as do women, and mens skill sets are usually harder, riskier jobs and more often in roles of leadership

im not tryin to troll or be offensive but lets stop lyin to ourselves. its just the way things are, lets just accept it istead of tryin to paint a picture of oppression

Burning Down · 10-06-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

trollheart much respect to your mother. of course havin 3 jobs isnt lazy. the first part of your post tho i see as a gross dramatization of a housewife. i will never buy into the idea that its somehow a tough job. tell that to some coal miners, roofers, construction workers, etc

lets just call it like it is. im tired of everyone exagerating or downplaying things to make everythin sound equal. women do less dangerous jobs, they do less risky jobs. its factual, look at stats. its a legit reason why men make more than women. men and women are not equal or the same. men have skill sets that lend themselves to certain jobs as do women, and mens skill sets are usually harder, riskier jobs and more often in roles of leadership

im not tryin to troll or be offensive but lets stop lyin to ourselves. its just the way things are, lets just accept it istead of tryin to paint a picture of oppression

You still don't get it. Less dangerous =/= lazy. It's not even about what kind of jobs each gender takes on. What about men who are working white collar office jobs, or who are teachers, or who work in some other aspect of the service industry? Are they lazy? With your logic, you are implying that everyone who takes on less risky jobs is lazy, doesn't matter if they are male or female.

Being a housewife/stay at home mom is not lazy. It's 24 hour, 7 days a week of UNPAID WORK. Making sure your kids are fed, that they get to school on time, running necessary errands, cleaning, making meals, helping your kids with homework... if she wants to keep the god damn house together she can't be sitting on her ass all day. Seriously.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 10-06-2013, 11:17 AM

BD I completely agree! My mom is a housewife, she took care of me from when I was born through to 18 years old. She cooked, baked, cleaned (which is a big job in a villa), went shopping, exercised and made sure I was happy. It is absolutely a job and a demanding one. I'd like to see 216 try and be a housewife for a week and see if he still thinks it's not a real job.

Paul Smeenus · 10-06-2013, 11:22 AM

I understand that it's impossible to expect people to not quote 216. The reason I have him on ignore is that I get sooooooooo fecking angry when I read disgusting posts llike the above. I get furious. I'm tempted to say things that don't belong on this forum.

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Trollheart · 10-06-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

BD I completely agree! My mom is a housewife, she took care of me from when I was born through to 18 years old. She cooked, baked, cleaned (which is a big job in a villa), went shopping, exercised and made sure I was happy. It is absolutely a job and a demanding one. I'd like to see 216 try and be a housewife for a week and see if he still thinks it's not a real job.

Exactly my point. Name me any other job where not only do you have to do it 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no breaks, but you don't really even get paid for it, nor appreciated. All I can say is 216 you either don't or didn't appreciate what your mother does/did for you or ... no, I won't complete that sentence.

Power to mothers! Power to housewives! And much respect, because they all deserve it!

Trollheart · 10-06-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

You completely missed the point of the guy in the video mentioning those jobs. He mentioned them as the reason why there is a wage gap between men and women.

DJ I don't know if that's aimed at me, but if so I didn't click the video so...
I was responding to 216's contention that the job of a housewife is not demanding, and that was all. I can't believe he would foster such a view. When I was young, at school and later work, I used to dilute my anger/resentment at same by thinking at least I can come home and relax: mammy is here and she never gets a chance to relax or have anyone even take over her responsibilities and give her a break. Yeah, we were all lazy...

Paul Smeenus · 10-06-2013, 12:02 PM

Oh, I forgot to add

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10-06-2013, 08:54 AM	#302 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	People shouldn't discount being a housewife as an easy or lazy job. Look at the facts: a woman's work (as a housewife) probably begins about, maybe 7 am. Get up, make breakfast, lunches, get kids up, to school etc. They come in at 4-ish, finished school. She's still going. Husband comes in maybe 7/8. Her day isn't even half over. It might end around midnight but it might go on, depending on whether the kids are sick, unable to sleep etc. Whether you include the sex in this as "part of the job" is a determination each of you can make. Personally I don't. This job is a seven-day-a-week deal, no days off, not even Christmas. No holidays, unless the kids are old enough to look after themselves for a few weeks/ young enough to be packed off to a relative. The woman does not get paid, at least not here: the husband will dole out a pittance he laughingly calls her "wages" or more likely "the housekeeping", out of which she is expected to feed, clothe and maintain the family and pay bills. On top of all that, housewife is not recognised as a job and so there is generally no appreciation for all the hard work the wife does, but without her the household would collapse. My own mother (yeah yeah) worked THREE jobs IN ADDITION to being our mother when my scumbag excuse for a father ***ed off. Prior to that he had been a glorified beggar, collecting for a charity door to door. This was his paying job! So who had the lazier time? He used to get asked in (I know, cos I went with him a few times when on summer holidays) for cups of tea, to chat, see the TV (this is Ireland after all) while my mother was running herself ragged trying to keep the house together. Then he'd come home and expect his dinner on the table. As did we. Ungrateful bastards that we were. Don't tell me women take lazy jobs: cleaning three different office buildings a night and then coming home to clock in to your "other" job: how many of us guys would do that?? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

10-06-2013, 11:17 AM	#306 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	BD I completely agree! My mom is a housewife, she took care of me from when I was born through to 18 years old. She cooked, baked, cleaned (which is a big job in a villa), went shopping, exercised and made sure I was happy. It is absolutely a job and a demanding one. I'd like to see 216 try and be a housewife for a week and see if he still thinks it's not a real job. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

10-06-2013, 10:54 AM	#304 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	trollheart much respect to your mother. of course havin 3 jobs isnt lazy. the first part of your post tho i see as a gross dramatization of a housewife. i will never buy into the idea that its somehow a tough job. tell that to some coal miners, roofers, construction workers, etc lets just call it like it is. im tired of everyone exagerating or downplaying things to make everythin sound equal. women do less dangerous jobs, they do less risky jobs. its factual, look at stats. its a legit reason why men make more than women. men and women are not equal or the same. men have skill sets that lend themselves to certain jobs as do women, and mens skill sets are usually harder, riskier jobs and more often in roles of leadership im not tryin to troll or be offensive but lets stop lyin to ourselves. its just the way things are, lets just accept it istead of tryin to paint a picture of oppression