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~~butthead aka 216~~ · 10-06-2013, 12:42 PM

less dangerous doesnt mean lazy i agree. my main point was that women shouldnt complain abotu wage gaps if they are workin easier and less risky jobs, thats exactly what i said in my initial response to chameleons video

and by lazy im referring to societys attitudes to women havin what i consider easy jobs. kindergarten teachers, housewives, babysitters, etc. theres not the same stigma for women havin those jobs as men. i know its a movie but look at those meet the parents movies with ben stiller where he is a nurse and robert deniro is bustin his balls about it. sure its a fictional movie but theres definitely a stigma for men workin in traditionally female jobs. i think if anyone met a couple and the man said 'yeah i stay at home' when asked about work, ppl would be really quick to call him lazy. cause unless he is very well-off financially, that is pretty lazy.

tl;dr its more widely acceptable for a woman to be a housewife or babysitter which enables some women to be lazy.

trollheart honestly thats kinda rude of you to assume (iguess?) i dont appreciate my mother or whatever. of course i do i love my mom and shes awesome. a lot of times maybe bein a housewife is needed because daycare would be too pricey for multiple kids or other reasons. but i dont doubt there are more cases of wives with husbands who make good money stayin at home than the other way around. thats cause they dont have to work, they choose to be lazy. and you know we can ust disagree on a housewife bein a hard job or whatever, i think you are really over dramatizin. surely its work, but cmon you can be in your pajamas all day and sit around and relax wheneve ryou want, flip on the tv, eat a snack whenever, etc. its just not on par for a "regular' job to me. i cant put them on the same level

as for smeem, he cant see what i write anyway but i see what youre doin. postin pics of women who have served or died in typically men professions. i knw youre tryin to twist my words or thoughts into a false reality where ive said no women have worked in the military or police force, but just lettin you know i see thru it. not all women are lazy by any means

Trollheart · 10-06-2013, 12:48 PM

I don't mean to demean your mother 216, but surely if you're trivialising her job then you're doing this yourself? You have to realise the tough job housewives --- even househusbands, let's be all 2013 about it! --- have, and just because society does not recognise it as a job does nothing to take from the fact that being a housewife/mother is one of the most, if not THE most, demanding, and thankless, jobs there is in the world. And yet every single mother does it without complaining, without striking and without looking for a payrise.

You can't have it both ways: either you appreciate the job your mother does and realise how hard her job is, or you don't, and don't. There's no getting splinters in your backside about this one; you have to choose your side of the fence.

I've made it clear where I sit.

Trollheart · 10-06-2013, 12:59 PM

Jesus H Christ! I just read your full post! Are you on something? A housewife can laze about all day? What sort of way would the house run if that were the case? And anyway havent I already pointed out that a housewife is a job that is TWENTY-FOUR-SEVEN??! Did your mother ever say to you when you, for instance, asked for a sandwich or where your shoes were or when dinner would be ready : "Sorry, the office is closed. Please call during working hours?" Come on! Even if you had a sick tummy or whatever at 4 am, did she not get up and sort you? If you needed to get up early (when you were younger I mean) did she not make sure you did, thereby having to rise early herself?

No, we can't agree to disagree on this one. It's not a case of opinions. You may as well say being a cop is not hard in your view. Being a housewife IS hard. You may not appreciate it but it damn well is, and you saying it isn't and using stupid examples from TV shows or whatever is not going to change that. You continuing to push the idea is doing more harm to your mother's reputation than I ever could, intended, or would.

Please just grow up and realise this is not an opinion this is a fact: the life of a housewife is hard, thankless, badly-paid and never, ever ending.

djchameleon · 10-06-2013, 01:05 PM

There are two types of housewives though, there are the trophy wives that have maids to do everything and nannies to raise the kids so they just go out shopping all day and get manicures and pedicures.

Then there are the other type that have to take care of all of those responsibilities on their own.

I feel like 216 is talking more about the first type while everyone else is mentioning only the second type.

Paul Smeenus · 10-06-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

There are two types of housewives though, there are the trophy wives that have maids to do everything and nannies to raise the kids so they just go out shopping all day and get manicures and pedicures.

They are the VAST minority though.

djchameleon · 10-06-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

They are the VAST minority though.

They still exist though can't brush them under the rug like they don't.

Paul Smeenus · 10-06-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

They still exist though can't brush them under the rug like they don't.

There are men (and women) that burglarize, are strung out on drugs, are welfare bums, there are bad people of all kinds, lets include all them too?

They are not representative of people as a whole.

djchameleon · 10-06-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

There are men (and women) that burglarize, are strung out on drugs, are welfare bums, there are bad people of all kinds, lets include all them too?

They are not representative of people as a whole.

What does any of that have to do with anything?

If you are talking about a specific thing you include all parts of it even the minority that you want to ignore because you feel they aren't representative of the whole.

Paul Smeenus · 10-06-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

What does any of that have to do with anything?

If you are talking about a specific thing you include all parts of it even the minority that you want to ignore because you feel they aren't representative of the whole.

All of those criminal people are inclusive as a minority of married women and men. You can't ignore them because they're not representative of the whole.

Or....you can. And should in the discussion of feminism IMO.

Women can run the gamut between the amazing and the disgusting. They deserve my respect until they prove that they don't. Most do.

Trollheart · 10-06-2013, 01:38 PM

If that's the case he should specify and say he's only talking about that small section of society. He doesn't. You might as well say "some cops are corrupt equals all cops are corrupt." If you don't single out the section you're talking about, and have a problem with, then you obviously invite the belief you're talking about the whole of housewifedom, or whatever.

I'll concede that there are "trophy wives" like the real housewives etc who do little but look after themselves and while away their time and money, but the vast majority of housewives are hardworking, underappreciated women and to put them down on the basis that "some" are the type you say is dishonest and unclear. As I say, if he's talking about THOSE sort of housewives let him make himself clear. I don't think he is: I think he's intimating that anyone who stays at home all day is lazy, never mind the fact that she (or he) may work their back off while the other half is at the office, on the rig, in the air, behind the wheel, whatever. Just because you don't work in an office and have a recognised job does not make you lazy and it's certainly no easy job being a, let's say, proper housewife.

So let 216 stand up and say if this is what he means, otherwise all my comments stand and I have a serious problem with him putting down the great work done by housewives and mothers all over this fair planet of ours.

10-06-2013, 12:48 PM	#312 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	I don't mean to demean your mother 216, but surely if you're trivialising her job then you're doing this yourself? You have to realise the tough job housewives --- even househusbands, let's be all 2013 about it! --- have, and just because society does not recognise it as a job does nothing to take from the fact that being a housewife/mother is one of the most, if not THE most, demanding, and thankless, jobs there is in the world. And yet every single mother does it without complaining, without striking and without looking for a payrise. You can't have it both ways: either you appreciate the job your mother does and realise how hard her job is, or you don't, and don't. There's no getting splinters in your backside about this one; you have to choose your side of the fence. I've made it clear where I sit. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

10-06-2013, 12:59 PM	#313 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	Jesus H Christ! I just read your full post! Are you on something? A housewife can laze about all day? What sort of way would the house run if that were the case? And anyway havent I already pointed out that a housewife is a job that is TWENTY-FOUR-SEVEN??! Did your mother ever say to you when you, for instance, asked for a sandwich or where your shoes were or when dinner would be ready : "Sorry, the office is closed. Please call during working hours?" Come on! Even if you had a sick tummy or whatever at 4 am, did she not get up and sort you? If you needed to get up early (when you were younger I mean) did she not make sure you did, thereby having to rise early herself? No, we can't agree to disagree on this one. It's not a case of opinions. You may as well say being a cop is not hard in your view. Being a housewife IS hard. You may not appreciate it but it damn well is, and you saying it isn't and using stupid examples from TV shows or whatever is not going to change that. You continuing to push the idea is doing more harm to your mother's reputation than I ever could, intended, or would. Please just grow up and realise this is not an opinion this is a fact: the life of a housewife is hard, thankless, badly-paid and never, ever ending. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

10-06-2013, 01:38 PM	#320 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	If that's the case he should specify and say he's only talking about that small section of society. He doesn't. You might as well say "some cops are corrupt equals all cops are corrupt." If you don't single out the section you're talking about, and have a problem with, then you obviously invite the belief you're talking about the whole of housewifedom, or whatever. I'll concede that there are "trophy wives" like the real housewives etc who do little but look after themselves and while away their time and money, but the vast majority of housewives are hardworking, underappreciated women and to put them down on the basis that "some" are the type you say is dishonest and unclear. As I say, if he's talking about THOSE sort of housewives let him make himself clear. I don't think he is: I think he's intimating that anyone who stays at home all day is lazy, never mind the fact that she (or he) may work their back off while the other half is at the office, on the rig, in the air, behind the wheel, whatever. Just because you don't work in an office and have a recognised job does not make you lazy and it's certainly no easy job being a, let's say, proper housewife. So let 216 stand up and say if this is what he means, otherwise all my comments stand and I have a serious problem with him putting down the great work done by housewives and mothers all over this fair planet of ours. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

10-06-2013, 12:42 PM	#311 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	less dangerous doesnt mean lazy i agree. my main point was that women shouldnt complain abotu wage gaps if they are workin easier and less risky jobs, thats exactly what i said in my initial response to chameleons video and by lazy im referring to societys attitudes to women havin what i consider easy jobs. kindergarten teachers, housewives, babysitters, etc. theres not the same stigma for women havin those jobs as men. i know its a movie but look at those meet the parents movies with ben stiller where he is a nurse and robert deniro is bustin his balls about it. sure its a fictional movie but theres definitely a stigma for men workin in traditionally female jobs. i think if anyone met a couple and the man said 'yeah i stay at home' when asked about work, ppl would be really quick to call him lazy. cause unless he is very well-off financially, that is pretty lazy. tl;dr its more widely acceptable for a woman to be a housewife or babysitter which enables some women to be lazy. trollheart honestly thats kinda rude of you to assume (iguess?) i dont appreciate my mother or whatever. of course i do i love my mom and shes awesome. a lot of times maybe bein a housewife is needed because daycare would be too pricey for multiple kids or other reasons. but i dont doubt there are more cases of wives with husbands who make good money stayin at home than the other way around. thats cause they dont have to work, they choose to be lazy. and you know we can ust disagree on a housewife bein a hard job or whatever, i think you are really over dramatizin. surely its work, but cmon you can be in your pajamas all day and sit around and relax wheneve ryou want, flip on the tv, eat a snack whenever, etc. its just not on par for a "regular' job to me. i cant put them on the same level as for smeem, he cant see what i write anyway but i see what youre doin. postin pics of women who have served or died in typically men professions. i knw youre tryin to twist my words or thoughts into a false reality where ive said no women have worked in the military or police force, but just lettin you know i see thru it. not all women are lazy by any means