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View Poll Results: Your level of observance?
Non-practicing/secular form of religion 20 43.48%
A little observant 3 6.52%
Middle-of-the-road observance 11 23.91%
Strict adherence to religious rules 4 8.70%
Don't know 8 17.39%
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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i just don't like responding to trollbait
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Old 03-28-2011, 12:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Whoa....nationalism....
Ok, ok, ok: YOUR people are better at killing, and holding grudges; so simian.

I thought only gorillas are proud of killing and hurting.
Now when you say "gorillas" do you mean King Kong-ish type primates or non-conscript militant irregulars? Context clues leans towards the latter but I'm not sure. Anyway scientific study reveal that the King Kong-ish type primates are for the most part docile, and the fact that animals are instinctual they don't conjure up a past memory and feel proud about them (you are erroneously assuming animals process thoughts like humans) so taking all of that into consideration one can not properly come to the conclusion "gorillas are proud of killing and hurting."

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Dirty... 'Beautiful' is a word to describe something, or someone, that evokes love. It is the essence which is beautiful, not facial symmetry. This smattering of beauty is everywhere, yeah?...
They did a study and they found that most women do prefer facial symmetry, while men on the other hand don't seem to notice or mind much. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and yes sometimes facial symmetry does matter (whether instinctually or sub-conscientiously) to the beholder.

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, I have a lot greater literary dexterity than you, but could you please raise the tone of your messages?
"Dexterity" implies skill in physical movement, if you were as smarts as you say you are, wouldn't you be able to choose a word more apt to describe your verbal ability than physical ability? That statement certainly does not live up it it's expectation. imo I think he's more articulate than you by default.

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Your arguing semantics doesn't disguise your imbecility.


By 'drawing pictures' I meant, do I have to simplify it enough for you to understand? and it seems that I do. But, judging from all the verbiage you've dumped here, you would still entirely miss the point.
I don't think you noticed, but the topic of religion here has not been a metaphor.
Please, spare me any more witlessisms.
Still I think the ideology you are enamored with is your religion, you have the same fervency in spouting your ideas and derisively knocking down your opponents metaphorically as a any fundamentalist would do.

In as far a religion means something one is "bound" and that in turn is a metaphor for a deeper meaning, I would say for example in the Judaic tradition when you take into consideration the story of the Akeidat Yitzchak yes it is, in the sense that you look below the surface of what is physically happening in the story and look deeper into the meaning of the story and what lessons are to be learned from it.
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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as again, all I have to say is, if you were to offer a complete litmus paper test to see if I'm good or evil, I wouldn't take it, cos I've done both bad and good things in my life

and being a Gnostic Christian, I wouldn't care either way and neither would God - I would just talk to Jesus to intercede so's I can go to Heaven, and my main aim in getting there is not the glorious architecture or the new life or my fellow Christians but the possibility of hearing every single piece of recorded music in the world until the day I die and thereafter
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I hate embarking on a discussion of things I can neither prove nor disprove
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Old 03-29-2011, 12:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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there are only kosher/halal laws in the Old Testament

in the New Testament, God revealed to Peter all kinds of beasts, fish and fowls and allowed him/us to eat all that (I forgot the specific passage)

so as a Gnostic Christian, I eat everything - in fact, I'm constantly on the trek for strange food
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all I have to say is that I find atheists basically having a intellectual vacuum, they need to fill it with something - whether it's debating about non-existence of God, having a good time, self-mediation about when they just switch off after they die

not saying that I'm all THAT intellectually fulfilled being a Gnostic Christian - but my own main tenets are that everything's pre-destined anyway since God is omnipresent, omnipotent and moniscient so who cares? I'm in the hands of a perfectly chaotic, impartial, non-judgmental entity - if I suddenly get hit by a bus afterwards and die - that's just the way it is
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Janszoon & crukster both have a point IMO.

It's true that, technically, atheism is nothing more than the lack of any belief in a deity.... but at the same time, atheists (generally speaking) do tend to display a cult-like antipathy towards theists, and in some cases will more or less make idols out of the leaders of the 'New Atheist Movement' like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, etc. I think it's fairly telling that on Facebook profiles and the like, under "beliefs", most atheists don't put "none", they put "atheism".
I don't like to stereotype a whole group of people like that, but I see where you're coming from. Alot of atheists (or at least the ones I know) seem intent on trying to force their beliefs on others, usually for some snarky reason to show how intelligent they think they are. It would be sweet if everyone just did their own thing and didn't care what others were doing.
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I don't like to stereotype a whole group of people like that, but I see where you're coming from. Alot of atheists (or at least the ones I know) seem intent on trying to force their beliefs on others, usually for some snarky reason to show how intelligent they think they are. It would be sweet if everyone just did their own thing and didn't care what others were doing.
I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in the US atheists have to contend with mainstream politicians and other figures in the media saying things like this:

Gingrich fears 'atheist country … dominated by radical Islamists' – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

And of course if we say anything about it we're viewed as "snarky" or "trying to force our beliefs on others". Definitely feels like a no-win situation sometimes.
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I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in the US atheists have to contend with mainstream politicians and other figures in the media saying things like this:

Gingrich fears 'atheist country … dominated by radical Islamists' – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

And of course if we say anything about it we're viewed as "snarky" or "trying to force our beliefs on others". Definitely feels like a no-win situation sometimes.
I don't believe we've ever had problems like that here!
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I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in the US atheists have to contend with mainstream politicians and other figures in the media saying things like this:

Gingrich fears 'atheist country … dominated by radical Islamists' – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

And of course if we say anything about it we're viewed as "snarky" or "trying to force our beliefs on others". Definitely feels like a no-win situation sometimes.
I'm not picking sides; as an agnostic I never do. I don't like enforcing views on others on both fronts, but it seems that atheism almost never gets a bad rap for it.

I'm not trying to stereotype atheists either. I specified it was from the atheists that I've dealt with. From my experience going to a Catholic high school (even though I'm not Catholic), I found that being snarky (can't believe i used that word) was definitely behind it.

Involving religion in politics is just wrong though. Secularism is the way to go.
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