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Old 06-03-2011, 12:49 AM   #61 (permalink)
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That is a complete cop-out, and you're entirely missing my point. It is not free will if we had no choice in the matter, and God forced it upon us. It's really a secondary, more philisophical issue than the matter at hand. You can't force free will upon someone, beacuse once you do, it ceases to be FREE will, see what I'm saying?
ok, i got you. so what's your take on free will?
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Old 06-03-2011, 05:17 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Just a few notes.

I don't really remember now, but I'm pretty sure oj is right. The Bible doesn't mention homosexuality being wrong except for in a few cases, and it isn't any bigger a deal than some other minor stuff.

The Bible is kind of weird like that when you compare it to peoples perception of it. In fact, for example, the Bible doesn't condone marriage... it only says that if you're going to have sex (which you apparently shouldn't) it's not as bad if you are married...
Well see the thing that I despise about the Bible is that it is riddled with contradictions that's why some Christians that rely on it so heavily are pretty much hypocrites.

It's not their fault per say, it's the stupid ass Catholic church that decided to translate the scrolls incorrectly. I also feel like they tampered with the Bible to make it what they wanted it to say and they left out books on purpose.

There is a big lost in translation factor going on with the Bible that's why I no longer like it. I read through all of the old testament when I was 17 and the beginning parts of the new testament when I just had to give up on it.

People take from the Bible what they want. Three people can read the same verse and tell you three different interpretations of what they believe the verse said.

OJ is right about the homosexuality thing sort of. There is a verse that all Christians that know something about the Bible like to pull out of their ass to show you that homosexuality is considered a sin but on the other hand the bible also states that God loves all of his creations.

As far as the marriage and sex point. You are allowed to have sex but it's not supposed to be for pleasure and for procreation. It says that marriage is between a man and woman. The whole point about procreating out of wedlock isn't even mentioned in the bible as a bad thing, If I remember correctly. I could be wrong about that last bit. I'd have to see a verse saying differently but I don't think there is one.
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my take on this thread, is that God doesn't "give" free will

man only assumes he has free will, when in fact everything is already predestined, like as I already going to type what I just typed, i only think i'm doing it out of my own volition, but this set of words is already in God's mind even before I typed them, it's predestined
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Old 06-03-2011, 12:12 PM   #64 (permalink)
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How can you say it's a misconception when you haven't died, faced God himself and gone through the process?

There's no way in hell (parden the pun), God will just let someone into Heaven who have been wicked and evil (following the ways of the Devil) because they randomly repented at the end. It's down to whether they have actually accepted God and are honestly wanting to change. Even then who knows. No one does, it's down to God.
You do realize that you just contradicted yourself don't you?
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ok, i got you. so what's your take on free will?
I think that we all inherently have free well, regardless of a God.

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man only assumes he has free will, when in fact everything is already predestined, like as I already going to type what I just typed, i only think i'm doing it out of my own volition, but this set of words is already in God's mind even before I typed them, it's predestined
Like it's just an illusion of free will?

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You do realize that you just contradicted yourself don't you?
That's true. Christian's quote the Bible, but then say that "in the end, it's all up to God." The only sources of "God's will" that we have to go off of have all come from man. Doesn't anybody see a problem with that?
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my take on this thread, is that God doesn't "give" free will

man only assumes he has free will, when in fact everything is already predestined, like as I already going to type what I just typed, i only think i'm doing it out of my own volition, but this set of words is already in God's mind even before I typed them, it's predestined
Ok, so can we agree that if this is the case, God must be responsible for both good and evil equally? Everything is both his accomplishment and his fault.

Hypothetically.
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Like it's just an illusion of free will?
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Ok, so can we agree that if this is the case, God must be responsible for both good and evil equally? Everything is both his accomplishment and his fault.

Hypothetically.
I don't think he's responsible for evil - more like he brokered with the Devil this many souls are going to Hell.
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I don't think he's responsible for evil - more like he brokered with the Devil this many souls are going to Hell.
So now he's negotiating with the Devil? Why?
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So now he's negotiating with the Devil? Why?
The Devil gets a bad rap.

What happened was that he was God's right hand angel and loved God very much but he became jealous of God's new creations(humans).

This jealousy led him to do something I can't remember how it actually went down but he was casted out of heaven with other angels that decided to follow in his footsteps becoming known as Fallen angels.

God sent him down to earth to rule over earth and hell.
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So now he's negotiating with the Devil? Why?
they already had a deal since Lucifer got kicked out of Heaven
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