Americas Prison Systems

Bloozcrooz · 06-23-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

Ugh, that's a bit snuffy .. The comments on that vid are horrible.

Its amazing the cruelty and lack of compassion that people can show for one another in the world in general. In comparison much like the lack of empathy he displayed for the inmates that were getting abused by the guards. Which was the whole point of posting the vid to use as an example in hopes of putting emphasis on how twisted that way of thinking and logic actually is when your the one on the receiving end.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-23-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Its amazing the cruelty and lack of compassion that people can show for one another in the world in general. In comparison much like the lack of empathy he displayed for the inmates that were getting abused by the guards. Which was the whole point of posting the vid to use as an example in hopes of putting emphasis on how twisted that way of thinking and logic actually is when your the one on the receiving end.

its also amazing how you lack compassion towards me, hypocrite.

Paedantic Basterd · 06-23-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

its also amazing how you lack compassion towards me, hypocrite.

I would suggest that you sort your grievances via PM.

Bloozcrooz · 06-23-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

its also amazing how you lack compassion towards me, hypocrite.

I dont lack compassion towards you dude, your totally freakin awesome imo

richie1 · 06-23-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I don't want to go into raising a child wank but you've never been spanked ever growing up. Those two go hand in hand, most parents that spank also correct them and let them know what they did wrong and why the spank just comes on the tail end after saying all of that.

dj - First, I'm not familiar with the term "wank". Have I been insulted? lol On a serious note, in my quote, I didn't say "spanked". I do feel a spank is sometimes appropriate (not totally against it as an adult either....). I used the terms "beat" and "beating" because that is more like what happens to the prisoners originally brought up in this thread by bloozcruz. If the prisoners were getting the equivelent of a "spank", I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's just when it crosses the line and becomes abuse/abuse of power that I have a problem.

LoathsomePete · 06-30-2011, 03:15 PM

The problems with the American Correctional System is multi-pronged, however most just like to blame it on one particular facet. You have to look at the American Justice System itself, a system based on just desserts, that says you will suffer for what you've done. You will either be deprived of your money, freedom, or life, (i.e. fines, incarceration, or incarceration for life/death sentence). Those are the three ways our correctional system wants to make people suffer, however those are not the only ways in which a convicted offender is made to suffer.

What the correctional system can no longer do, society picks up the slack. We as a society love to make these individuals suffer. What do we call a person released from prison? An ex-convict, a constant reminder that they are still a convict and therefore below us honest civilians. Other ways we continue to make them suffer is denying them the right to vote, yet another reminder that they are not one of us. The same goes for when they apply for a job, if you were a CPA, doctor, banker, or any other licensed profession you probably won't be able to go back to it once you're out. The types of jobs readily available for ex-cons are generally manual labor or trades, which are enough to get by on (most of the time) but not really enough to ever rise above. Worst of all is perhaps the degree in which society decides who gets paroled and not. Murder is the gravest crime a person can commit, however many of them are committed in the 2nd degree with no malicious forethought, and extreme guilt afterwards. Yet murders hardly ever get paroled, even though their recidivism rate is apparently less than 1/2 of 1% (or so says one of my CRJ instructors). Who does get paroled? Drug dealers serving 3-5 year sentences who will more often then not go back to the corners right after they check in with their parole officer (if they're lucky).

I could go on and on with the ills of the American Correctional System, but I think one of the biggest obstacles is not so much the system itself, but the way our society is programmed to act towards convicts. I know there are a million different answers, all of them weighing in, but I think that one is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about.

The Batlord · 07-01-2011, 11:00 AM

Someone posted this article on solitary confinement on another forum that I think deserves attention.

Is long-term solitary confinement torture? : The New Yorker

iron9567 · 07-07-2011, 10:46 AM

Anyone taking part in this thread ever been incarcerated or worked in a prison before?

GeddyBass2112 · 07-07-2011, 11:01 AM

Sorry, but anyone who goes to prison should feel safe and protected by those in authority.

Buzzov*en · 07-07-2011, 01:37 PM

The guards are no better than the worst in the prison system if they are abusing the people they hold.

06-30-2011, 03:15 PM	#76 (permalink)
LoathsomePete Cardboard Box Realtor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hobb's End Posts: 7,648	The problems with the American Correctional System is multi-pronged, however most just like to blame it on one particular facet. You have to look at the American Justice System itself, a system based on just desserts, that says you will suffer for what you've done. You will either be deprived of your money, freedom, or life, (i.e. fines, incarceration, or incarceration for life/death sentence). Those are the three ways our correctional system wants to make people suffer, however those are not the only ways in which a convicted offender is made to suffer. What the correctional system can no longer do, society picks up the slack. We as a society love to make these individuals suffer. What do we call a person released from prison? An ex-convict, a constant reminder that they are still a convict and therefore below us honest civilians. Other ways we continue to make them suffer is denying them the right to vote, yet another reminder that they are not one of us. The same goes for when they apply for a job, if you were a CPA, doctor, banker, or any other licensed profession you probably won't be able to go back to it once you're out. The types of jobs readily available for ex-cons are generally manual labor or trades, which are enough to get by on (most of the time) but not really enough to ever rise above. Worst of all is perhaps the degree in which society decides who gets paroled and not. Murder is the gravest crime a person can commit, however many of them are committed in the 2nd degree with no malicious forethought, and extreme guilt afterwards. Yet murders hardly ever get paroled, even though their recidivism rate is apparently less than 1/2 of 1% (or so says one of my CRJ instructors). Who does get paroled? Drug dealers serving 3-5 year sentences who will more often then not go back to the corners right after they check in with their parole officer (if they're lucky). I could go on and on with the ills of the American Correctional System, but I think one of the biggest obstacles is not so much the system itself, but the way our society is programmed to act towards convicts. I know there are a million different answers, all of them weighing in, but I think that one is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. __________________ Last.FM 101 Albums That May Not Change Your Life, But I Really Like And You Might Too

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