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Old 07-11-2011, 01:17 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I'm sorry that we disagree, but how is it that I care more about being right than you do? Because I actually backed up the things that I said? Let's just agree to disagree.
I agree with what you are saying about drug addiction. You didn't take her bait either, good stuff.

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Old 08-09-2011, 10:58 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Alright, prison has always been a big interest of mine. I think what has always interested me is basically how prison life is a society of it's own, with it's own rules and norms.

But anyways, I think two important things should happen with prisons. First off, stop incarcerating drug offenders to ridiculous sentences. Such a ridiculous number of prisons are over crowded. You have gymnasiums filled with bunkbeds that are filled with violent offenders, so of course problems are bound to happen. Hell, crack was introduced to blacks by our government, and then the government funds their wars and starts locking up crack dealers and users for ridiculous amounts of time. I mean, for like 15 years the mandatory minimum sentence for trafficking 500grams of powder was the same as 5 grams of crack.

I'm pretty sure half our prisons are made up of drug offenders. I'm not saying don't lock them up, but quit giving out 20 year sentences to non-violent criminals. And yes, it IS a form of racism because we've forced minorities into these impoverished areas where drugs are always going to be a huge problem. So we've got all these drug offenders sitting in jail, which kinda brings me to the second thing we should do which is to separate non-violent offenders from violent offenders.

If you've got violent convicts mixed with non-violent convicts, you then force the non-violent ones to become violent to protect themselves. I'm talking about separating inmates who can be rehabilitated to those who can't be rehabilitated. And I guess someone could say "LOL Dirty thats so dumb anyone can be rehabbed!!" but cmon, let's use our brains here. There are tons of offenders locked up who have no interest in rehabilitating and go to prison to hone their criminal skills and make connections. Some people ARE lost causes and only hurt the chances of those who might want to make a strong effort to rehabilitate. Also, seperate lifers from anyone who isn't serving a life sentence. Again, you can see a theme with my reasoning which is separate those who can be contributors to society from those who can't. I feel like we are probably turning a lot of convicts into worse people by placing them in bad situations.

Also, you can look up interviews of wardens on youtube or wherever where they speak pretty frankly about prison assault and rape. I think general safety is something that should be considered a little more seriously (I know it's prison and violence happens). At the same time though, I don't really care if an inmate gets the hell beat out of them by staff if they are trying to injure staff members. These prison guards put up with so much bullshit, I don't know how they don't let their rage get the best of them and start killing people. If I had shitheads throwing urine on me or trying to stab me with makeshift weapons, I'd probably blow a fuse and take my nightstick to their skulls.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:48 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Hell, crack was introduced to blacks by our government, and then the government funds their wars and starts locking up crack dealers and users for ridiculous amounts of time.
When you make a claim such as that, you should provide not just one, but multiple, nonpartisan sources. I've heard that claimed before, but only from blatantly left-wign sources.

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And yes, it IS a form of racism because we've forced minorities into these impoverished areas where drugs are always going to be a huge problem.
The United States Federal Govt., nor any state, country, or municipal Govt. has any laws that requires "minorities" (<---whatever that means) to live in these areas. They choose to live there.

Really, why do you say "minorities"? Jews are a minority; are they living in ghettos plagued with crime? Or is the millenia of persecution the Jews have underwent not sufficient for them to acquire "minority" status?

Or, say, East Asians. Or Indians (from the nation) - both of these groups are over-represented in white collar professions, under-represented in the prison system, and yet demography tells us they're minorities as well.

Or, hey, what about people of subsaharan descent from the Carribean & Sub Saharan Africa? Why is it these people have such radically different imprisonment rates? Why is it their level of educational achievement is so different?

Really, please, use a better phrase than "minorities".
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:44 AM   #84 (permalink)
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I don't think it's a fair statement to say that anybody "chooses" to live in a poverty-stricken area. That's just as absurd as saying the government has placed them there. It's circumstance.
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When you make a claim such as that, you should provide not just one, but multiple, nonpartisan sources. I've heard that claimed before, but only from blatantly left-wign sources.
It was reported in national newspapers and covered up by our the United States government soon after. I will attempt to get a photocopied version of my professor's paper that he kept back when the government finally owned up to it.

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The United States Federal Govt., nor any state, country, or municipal Govt. has any laws that requires "minorities" (<---whatever that means) to live in these areas. They choose to live there.

Really, why do you say "minorities"? Jews are a minority; are they living in ghettos plagued with crime? Or is the millenia of persecution the Jews have underwent not sufficient for them to acquire "minority" status?

Or, say, East Asians. Or Indians (from the nation) - both of these groups are over-represented in white collar professions, under-represented in the prison system, and yet demography tells us they're minorities as well.

Or, hey, what about people of subsaharan descent from the Carribean & Sub Saharan Africa? Why is it these people have such radically different imprisonment rates? Why is it their level of educational achievement is so different?

Really, please, use a better phrase than "minorities".
....could you really not tell I was talking about blacks My guess is that you did, but did your rhetoric spiel anyways. Way to go, man.

Either way, I am mainly talking about blacks. And no, there aren't laws saying they have to live there, but that is where our society has funneled many of them. Nobody chooses to live in these impoverished, shitty areas Maybe in your fantasy world people can just pack up, drive across the country and miraculously find a job, a good credit score, and buy a home and nice car and live the middle class life without any education eh?
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Dirty, "blacks" would in an inaccurate way of describing it. As I stated earlier, if you look at Carribeans of subsaharan descet & recent subsaharan immigrants, they are doing far better than those Black Americans descended from American slaves. Hell, within the Nigerian-American community you'll find the group which has the single highest level of educational achievement.

So, if you're implying there's some sort of racism, or discrimination on the basis of race is keeping these people down - well, think again. Because were that the case we'd be seeing the same outcomes mirrored in these immigrant communities.

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Actually, millions of people choose to live in those areas. We know they choose to live there because, as they say, actions speak louder than words - and their actions certainly indicate they're happy with their situation. Were they not happy they'd be more careful with their spending, they'd pursue either further education or career training, etc. - there's tons of exits from the ghetto.

Can people just "pack up, drive across the country and miraculously find a job, a good credit score, and buy a home and nice car and live the middle class life without any education" - yep. Millions of people cross the ****ing ocean and do just that, every year. Can you do it in one fell swoop? No, but with hard work and determination, it can happen, and if it couldn't - well - people wouldn't be immigrating here, now would they?
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These type of statements remind me of the ones I used to make before I attended college.

Are you really going to argue over word choices? Tell ya what...since it's a big deal to you, why don't you pick out which term I should use from here on out. Now that that's outta the way...

First off... So, if you're implying there's some sort of racism, or discrimination on the basis of race is keeping these people down - well, think again. Is this a joke or are you actually serious? Can you seriously not see how racism and discrimination have held back blacks?? It mirrors in some other minority groups, but blacks in particular have been oppressed because of a little thing called SLAVERY. I'm sure you've heard about it or read about it one of your pamphlets at the weekly white supremacist gatherings. I'm not implying or suggesting or anything like that, I'm straight up just telling you that racism has kept them (as a group) down, which is why things like AA are needed.

About this... Actually, millions of people choose to live in those areas. We know they choose to live there because, as they say, actions speak louder than words - and their actions certainly indicate they're happy with their situation. Were they not happy they'd be more careful with their spending, they'd pursue either further education or career training, etc. - there's tons of exits from the ghetto.

There should be a gigantic shake-your-head smiley for stuff like this garbage... Their actions indicate they're happy.... Where do I even start with that, what the fuck are you talking about. It is so goddamn hard for me not to insult you right now. I actually can't fight these urges, you are a goddamn moron. Where exactly do you expect the ghetto residents to go? They are at the bottom of American living...and you think they CHOOSE to live in poverty? Wait, not even choose. You think they are HAPPY to live in a neighborhood where they might get shot in their stairwell? Holy hell you have to be kidding me with that nonsense. If getting out of the ghetto is so easy, why are there so many people living there still?
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Dirty, if racial discrimination is the root cause of black poverty why don't we see the same patterns of incarceration mirrored in immigrant black communities? If slavery was the root cause - why are descendents from slaves from the Carribean performing better than our own blacks? They've higher levels of education & income, and their incarceration rate is markedly lower as well.

To repeat myself; you're implying there's some sort of racism, or discrimination on the basis of race is keeping these people down - well, think again. Because were that the case we'd be seeing the same outcomes mirrored in these immigrant communities. Mind, we're talking within the black community those descdended the USA slaves perform markedly worse than those american blacks from the third world.

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I didn't say it was "easy", but that's besides the point. My point is they're choosing to live there. The means to get out exist; whether pell grants, federal subsidized & unsubsidized loans, tax credits for work rehabilitation, tax credits for those on multiple types of "welfare" (TANF, Food Stamps, etc.). They could work hard and do it; they choose not to.
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I didn't say it was "easy", but that's besides the point. My point is they're choosing to live there. The means to get out exist; whether pell grants, federal subsidized & unsubsidized loans, tax credits for work rehabilitation, tax credits for those on multiple types of "welfare" (TANF, Food Stamps, etc.). They could work hard and do it; they choose not to.
They could work hard with the plethora of jobs available to them right but no they are just lazy ****s that love living in the ghetto and abusing safety net programs.

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Dirty, if racial discrimination is the root cause of black poverty why don't we see the same patterns of incarceration mirrored in immigrant black communities? If slavery was the root cause - why are descendents from slaves from the Carribean performing better than our own blacks? They've higher levels of education & income, and their incarceration rate is markedly lower as well.
You mean like in Jamaica and Haiti?

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I didn't say it was "easy", but that's besides the point. My point is they're choosing to live there. The means to get out exist; whether pell grants, federal subsidized & unsubsidized loans, tax credits for work rehabilitation, tax credits for those on multiple types of "welfare" (TANF, Food Stamps, etc.). They could work hard and do it; they choose not to.
The fact that it isn't easy is not beside the point. It IS the point. It's hard to compete with people who live in higher income communities that have better school systems. It's hard to become a contributing member of society when that same society has shown for the last hundred odd years that it doesn't want you to contribute.

Tell me, Hip Hop Bunny, what is the real reason the black community makes on average less than whites? You don't seem to wanna say. You just wanna make hints. Are they just lazy? Are they just stupid?
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