God is in your mind?

Guybrush · 03-04-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

It has been scientificly proven that focused intention from a trained individual can change the molecular structure of water, and how do u explain fire walkers and things of that nature

If it's scientifically proven, then it's scientifically documented and you should be able to find a source backing your claim. Could you find one for me, please?

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Feel free to provide sources to back any of your claims.

seekn4 · 03-04-2012, 01:35 PM

No problem, go to u tube check out the "down the rabbit hole" series it is multi parted start at part 1, then u can u tube, "gregg braden, the language of the divine matrix" it has 2 parts and is 4 hrs long but is mind blowing, and u tube, "Ron wyatt" he is a biblical archaeologists, that found the red sea crossing, noahs ark, sodom and gamorra, and the mountian of god, and has mind blowing evidence

Guybrush · 03-04-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

No problem, go to u tube check out the "down the rabbit hole" series it is multi parted start at part 1, then u can u tube, "gregg braden, the language of the divine matrix" it has 2 parts and is 4 hrs long but is mind blowing, and u tube, "Ron wyatt" he is a biblical archaeologists, that found the red sea crossing, noahs ark, sodom and gamorra, and the mountian of god, and has mind blowing evidence

Ehf, until I can be convinced otherwise, I am of the opinion that these guys are basically bull**** artists. They are biased in their work. If they find something on a seabed that looks like a cart track, even if it's made by animals or underwater currents or whatever, they're biased towards the cart explanation.

In my experience, religious people like you who take such stories literally like to handpick so called "proof". What I mean is there are people willing to claim proof of anything, like f.ex the earth being at the center of the universe or that the great flood actually happened. But when scientific method is applied, which is designed to remove biases, none of it holds water.

So there are people claiming all sorts of stuff and you've been hand-picking the stories that support your world view rather than be a critical thinker who tries to believe in what seems the most plausible. You've been thinking with your feelings rather than your rationality.

Of course I am not going to spend hours out of any of my days facepalming while watching people on the telly explaining to me why thousands of years old cart tracks are still visible on the seabed of the red sea or other such stories. If there really are any good arguments proposed by these people, then you can relay them to me here.

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It only takes a quick look at Wikipedia to find out a little about what other professionals think of this Wyatt guy.

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While Wyatt won a devoted following from the ranks of fundamentalist Christians seeking tangible evidence of the literal truth of the Bible, his credibility was disputed, often bitterly, by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:

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The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.

In a similar vein, archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc.

Wyatt's fellow evangelicals have not been any less critical: Answers in Genesis called Wyatt's claims "fraudulent," and one Seventh-day Adventist professor of archaeology sums up Wyatt's Noah's Ark and anchor stones claims in these words: "While the Durupinar site is about the right length for Noah's ark, [it is] ... too wide to be Noah's ark. Wyatt has claimed that the "boat-shapedness" of this formation can only be explained by its being Noah's ark, but both Shea and Morris have offered other plausible explanations. Likewise, Wyatt has argued that the standing stones he has found are anchors, while Terian is aware of similar stones outside the Durupinar site area that were pagan cultic stones later converted by Christians for Christian purposes."

Dismissed by the mainstream as a pseudoarchaeologist, Wyatt's official organization, Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR), claims that the IAA have always been aware of the excavations and issued "verbal permits" for most of them and official permits to all WAR excavations since 2002. Nevertheless, the only evidence of WAR involvement in a legitimate excavation sanctioned by the IAA relates to WAR part-funding of a 2005 dig.

>> source : Ron Wyatt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Excuse me if I don't sit down and dedicate hours to watching his documentary!

seekn4 · 03-04-2012, 02:08 PM

If u want to let other people do your thinking for u, u r entitled

Guybrush · 03-04-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

If u want to let other people do your thinking for u, u r entitled

When it comes to archaeology and the bible and what's true or not, I do respect the general opinions of professional archaeologists and biblical scholars over the claims of some random liar.

seekn4 · 03-04-2012, 02:11 PM

Y don't you see for yourself, then u will know, if u r waiting for mainstream to give it to you you will never know

Guybrush · 03-04-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

Y don't you see for yourself, then u will know, if u r waiting for mainstream to give it to you you will never know

As far as I'm concerned, I have seen for myself. I've received religious teachings in school when I was a kid, I've heard lots of bible stories, I was told that bad boys go to hell and good boys go to heaven .. though fortunately never from my parents.

So I feel like I have seen and in the end, I was not convinced. If you mean by "seeing" that I should construct a fantasy world for my mind to live in, then it's true that it's not something the mainstream will do for you (at least not here) and I'm not going to do that because I want my beliefs to reflect reality.

seekn4 · 03-04-2012, 02:43 PM

In case u haven't noticed, since the beginning of time every generation thinks they have it figured out and the next generation proves that they don't have it quite right, and this pattern will always continue, for every study that has been done there is another one that cotradicts it, so just humor me and with an open mind see for yourself and see if there isn't evidence in those videos that u can't shake from your mind but if u already know everything don't bother, You r god and I would like to have a long chat with u, lol

Religion is a waste of time, completely, heaven and Hell is right here right now, which r u in

Your reality is what u choose to make it, if in your reality u don't wake up And love your life, u r in Hell

U pick any subject in this world and there are always going to be a skeptical opinion, if that is all u choose to consider then that is all you will see, and those skeptics won't except any nnew evidence cause that will mean that they will have to admit that their opinions r wrong, pride is a bitch, and will keep u from learning anything new. "let the wise become a fool that they may become wise"

Paedantic Basterd · 03-04-2012, 03:01 PM

Stop double posting. Thank you. Your posts have been merged.

seekn4 · 03-04-2012, 03:07 PM

If you were on trial would u want the jury to see just the prosecutions side or would u want them to see your side too, if they only saw one side it wouldnt tbe an educated opinion would it, and that is your approach to these matters, somethings wrong with your decision making dynamic

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seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	to Tore No problem, go to u tube check out the "down the rabbit hole" series it is multi parted start at part 1, then u can u tube, "gregg braden, the language of the divine matrix" it has 2 parts and is 4 hrs long but is mind blowing, and u tube, "Ron wyatt" he is a biblical archaeologists, that found the red sea crossing, noahs ark, sodom and gamorra, and the mountian of god, and has mind blowing evidence

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seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	If you were on trial would u want the jury to see just the prosecutions side or would u want them to see your side too, if they only saw one side it wouldnt tbe an educated opinion would it, and that is your approach to these matters, somethings wrong with your decision making dynamic Last edited by seekn4; 03-04-2012 at 03:19 PM.

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seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	If u want to let other people do your thinking for u, u r entitled

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seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	Y don't you see for yourself, then u will know, if u r waiting for mainstream to give it to you you will never know

03-04-2012, 02:43 PM	#178 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	In case u haven't noticed, since the beginning of time every generation thinks they have it figured out and the next generation proves that they don't have it quite right, and this pattern will always continue, for every study that has been done there is another one that cotradicts it, so just humor me and with an open mind see for yourself and see if there isn't evidence in those videos that u can't shake from your mind but if u already know everything don't bother, You r god and I would like to have a long chat with u, lol Religion is a waste of time, completely, heaven and Hell is right here right now, which r u in Your reality is what u choose to make it, if in your reality u don't wake up And love your life, u r in Hell U pick any subject in this world and there are always going to be a skeptical opinion, if that is all u choose to consider then that is all you will see, and those skeptics won't except any nnew evidence cause that will mean that they will have to admit that their opinions r wrong, pride is a bitch, and will keep u from learning anything new. "let the wise become a fool that they may become wise"

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