Transgender in Disney

Stephen · 01-19-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

3. What is the purpose of the teacher and is this really what they should be doing?

Realistically no but idealistically I think basic empathy studies would be a good addition to any formative curriculum.

TheBig3 · 01-19-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fazstp

Realistically no but idealistically I think basic empathy studies would be a good addition to any formative curriculum.

...right. I think it would be good if the teachers also taught them some ****ing manners and what to do with a napkin at a formal dinner, but if we can get these miniature scumbags to read, its a god damn miracle.

In the interim, I don't think Teachers can teach them life experience.

CanwllCorfe · 01-22-2012, 03:19 PM

If they come up with an interesting story about it, then sure. They shouldn't have to or anything, of course.

**Janszoon** · 01-22-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

If they come up with an interesting story about it, then sure. They shouldn't have to or anything, of course.

Bingo.

Arya Stark · 01-22-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Above

Yeah, in that context I would definitely agree with you. I admit I haven't seen many Disney movies with trans* themes other than Mulan, but yeah. I think there should be more of this stuff in films aimed at children. We should be taught to think critically from an early age rather than be indoctrinated into our gender roles, which need to go.

I don't want to tell you who you are or challenge you in a way that offends you, so let me know if I do. But isn't it your body parts that make you what gender you are?
You have boy parts, which make you a male. But in your mind, you feel like a female, and so you're changing yourself physically to wholly become a female?
Again, I don't want to offend you, and I'll have you know that I'm fully supportive of the transgendered community whether or not I understand how they feel.

hip hop bunny hop · 01-24-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Above

I think kids should be taught about respecting diversity in general. Maybe Disney films aren't the place for it, but the classroom sure is.

Could you please define diversity? And would this "respect" be for all moral, religious, and cultural traditions?

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 01-25-2012, 06:39 AM

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I don't want to tell you who you are or challenge you in a way that offends you, so let me know if I do. But isn't it your body parts that make you what gender you are?
You have boy parts, which make you a male. But in your mind, you feel like a female, and so you're changing yourself physically to wholly become a female?
Again, I don't want to offend you, and I'll have you know that I'm fully supportive of the transgendered community whether or not I understand how they feel.

Sex is between the legs, gender is between the ears bb

TheBig3 · 01-25-2012, 08:02 AM

I hear you sugar, I had this same argument with a transgendered person on a political forum I used to belong to. I think what Above is advocating for is proven by our (you and I) experiences.

I assumed sex and gender were the same thing because for the vast amount of the populace they are the same, and it never really comes up as to how they're different.

Paedantic Basterd · 01-25-2012, 10:29 AM

I think ideally, the words "male" and "female" would refer strictly to genitals and to no other qualities. I wonder if transgendered people would feel more "correct" in their bodies if there weren't any defined male/female stereotypes?

Above · 01-25-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

I don't want to tell you who you are or challenge you in a way that offends you, so let me know if I do. But isn't it your body parts that make you what gender you are?
You have boy parts, which make you a male. But in your mind, you feel like a female, and so you're changing yourself physically to wholly become a female?
Again, I don't want to offend you, and I'll have you know that I'm fully supportive of the transgendered community whether or not I understand how they feel.

Sex is your genitalia, gender is your identity. You can be female and still have male genitals.

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Could you please define diversity? And would this "respect" be for all moral, religious, and cultural traditions?

Of course. There already are classes like this. Religious Studies is a compulsory subject in English high school. As much as I am for transgender rights and I am very outspoken about such things, I don't want to put 'my kind' (for lack of a better phrase) 'on top'. We're all equal.

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I think ideally, the words "male" and "female" would refer strictly to genitals and to no other qualities. I wonder if transgendered people would feel more "correct" in their bodies if there weren't any defined male/female stereotypes?

Sorta. For me, it's all discomfort with my sex organs, but it factors in with my relationships with both sexes. Whether I want to admit it or not, my sex affects how both sexes see me.

01-22-2012, 03:19 PM	#63 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	If they come up with an interesting story about it, then sure. They shouldn't have to or anything, of course. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

01-25-2012, 08:02 AM	#68 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	I hear you sugar, I had this same argument with a transgendered person on a political forum I used to belong to. I think what Above is advocating for is proven by our (you and I) experiences. I assumed sex and gender were the same thing because for the vast amount of the populace they are the same, and it never really comes up as to how they're different. __________________ I've moved to a new address

01-25-2012, 10:29 AM	#69 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I think ideally, the words "male" and "female" would refer strictly to genitals and to no other qualities. I wonder if transgendered people would feel more "correct" in their bodies if there weren't any defined male/female stereotypes?