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Originally Posted by Rubato
(Post 1155779)
Oh ok I see where you're coming from, but while they may agree with libertarians on certain issues they don't share the same philosophy. They're more a reaction to neocons being far too leftist for the conservative name, they're the conservatives of the conservatives if you will.
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Well, neo-cons were described as, by someone stated whom I'm too lazy to look up right now, "liberals mugged by reality". Meaning, they were New Deal Democrats upset by the cultural changes of the 60s (and later); they still maintained support for the majority of New Deal programs & the expansive powers of the Federal Government, as well as the highly interventionist foreign policy of FDR.
In recent policy, we've seen this work out in a few ways. Paleo's, in terms of Foreign Policy, were highly critical of Iraq 1 & 2, Clinton's intervention in Serbia on behalf of Kosovo, our sprawling military bases, etc.. Economically, Paleos opposed NAFTA (as well as all free trade agreements), medicare part D, etc.
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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine
(Post 1155756)
except in the matter of Social Issues, namely that they feels that everyone has a right to live however they want, unless it offends their image of how people should live, which doesn't make much sense to me, and seemingly Big3 either; surely if you have no qualms with forcing minorities into a way of life they don't agree with, you are compromising the fundamental reasons for a libertarian-like governing system? How would you feel if someone decided that men shouldn't be allowed outside unshaven, or something equally ridiculous? People have right to be gay if they want to, and someone having an abortion in a different state to you is hardly going to have a major effect on your life... it's just over-controlling, incredibly arrogant, and goes by the assumption that the "majority" know what the "best" way to live is.
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Please, do keep in mind there's no unity on the issue of whether these should be solved on the Federal or State level. Further, the issue of being anti-immigrant and anti-free trade is a huge, radical departure from Libertarian thinking on these subjects.
Anyways, in regards to your question; what you're hitting on is the difference between Paleoconservatism's
pragmatism(*1) and Libertarianism's
idealism. This shouldn't be surprising, as Paleo's ideological roots would be best defined as pre-Enlightenment or counter-enlightenment, whereas Libertarianism is squarely in the Englightenment mold. Paleos, as i hope is clear by now, embrace a very Burkean form of Conservatism.
*1 - I say "pragmatism", because it's the closest approximation of what I mean; I'm not referring to Bentham's philosophy.