Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

**Frownland** · 02-07-2012, 08:22 PM

I think what he meant is that if it is not written into law, these civil rights could easily be denied to the victim because the oppressor (for lack of a better word) would play by the classic fallacy: "but you didn't say not to".

Freebase Dali · 02-07-2012, 08:33 PM

Indeed. I just mean to say that it's not the summation of all possible rights, which was what I thought he was implying.

RVCA · 02-07-2012, 11:44 PM

*asininity

Engine · 02-08-2012, 12:53 AM

I'm not going to call anybody asinine but the truth is that there are no such things as universal rights. Those clearly don't exist because if they did, they would be universally recognized and none are.

Common decency is a slightly different idea but its one that also obviously doesn't exist among us. Try to define it and anybody will find opposition from human peers. That opposition will be based on emotions or statistical analyses or a combo of both.

We living humans make up rights as we go and assign them where and when we feel like it. Individually and collectively.

In fact, the concept of "rights" is entirely subjective. Even if objective standards exist, humans have proved themselves to be incapable of agreeing on what they are.

All we will ever have to work with are politics and polemics and the outcome of collective decisions based on those will never be certain or permanent. Sad but true for everybody.

CanwllCorfe · 02-08-2012, 01:21 AM

That's good.

Engine · 02-08-2012, 01:35 PM

Christ, I obviously need to refrain from either drinking or posting in this subforum. I believe in everything I said, but it has little to do with the specific topic of Proposition 8's constitutionality. Sorry folks.

skaltezon · 02-08-2012, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Engine

Christ, I obviously need to refrain from either drinking or posting in this subforum. I believe in everything I said, but it has little to do with the specific topic of Proposition 8's constitutionality. Sorry folks.

You addressed a subtopic that was being discussed, and you did it well. Right on point, I thought.

Freebase Dali · 02-08-2012, 06:28 PM

I'm not drunk enough to deal with you right now, rabbit boy. Give me another couple hours.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-11-2012, 09:46 AM

So you only want to pass laws when they're popular with the majority now?
Hell if they passed tax laws by popularity your country would be skint in less than 24 hours.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 02-11-2012, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

So you only want to pass laws when they're popular with the majority now?
Hell if they passed tax laws by popularity your country would be skint in less than 24 hours.

Urban,

Stop changing the topic. OK. I am speaking about gay marriage. Gay Marriage will never be approved in all 50 states. That will never happen. That is a fantasy.

02-07-2012, 08:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I think what he meant is that if it is not written into law, these civil rights could easily be denied to the victim because the oppressor (for lack of a better word) would play by the classic fallacy: "but you didn't say not to". __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-07-2012, 08:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Indeed. I just mean to say that it's not the summation of all possible rights, which was what I thought he was implying. __________________

02-08-2012, 12:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
Engine air quote Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pollen & mold Posts: 3,112	I'm not going to call anybody asinine but the truth is that there are no such things as universal rights. Those clearly don't exist because if they did, they would be universally recognized and none are. Common decency is a slightly different idea but its one that also obviously doesn't exist among us. Try to define it and anybody will find opposition from human peers. That opposition will be based on emotions or statistical analyses or a combo of both. We living humans make up rights as we go and assign them where and when we feel like it. Individually and collectively. In fact, the concept of "rights" is entirely subjective. Even if objective standards exist, humans have proved themselves to be incapable of agreeing on what they are. All we will ever have to work with are politics and polemics and the outcome of collective decisions based on those will never be certain or permanent. Sad but true for everybody. __________________ Like an arrow, I was only passing through.

02-08-2012, 01:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	That's good. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

02-08-2012, 01:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Engine air quote Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pollen & mold Posts: 3,112	Christ, I obviously need to refrain from either drinking or posting in this subforum. I believe in everything I said, but it has little to do with the specific topic of Proposition 8's constitutionality. Sorry folks. __________________ Like an arrow, I was only passing through.

02-07-2012, 11:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	*asininity

02-08-2012, 06:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	I'm not drunk enough to deal with you right now, rabbit boy. Give me another couple hours. __________________

02-11-2012, 09:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	So you only want to pass laws when they're popular with the majority now? Hell if they passed tax laws by popularity your country would be skint in less than 24 hours. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.