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Old 02-11-2012, 08:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Stop changing the topic. OK. I am speaking about gay marriage. Gay Marriage will never be approved in all 50 states. That will never happen. That is a fantasy.
I'm going to save this post so I can laugh at it once same-sex marriage is legal in all 50 states.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Trust me, it will never happen.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:21 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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So, a nation's political and social beliefs don't change over time? It's not possible that America is slowing but surely becoming more and more liberal?
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I am on topic.
I just asked you why you only think popular laws should be passed.
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I just asked you why you only think popular laws should be passed.
Because if you do it without people's approval than you will have another Proposition 8 again. Trust me, you don't want to occur again.
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I think there are a few important points here that should be raised.

Firstly, there's the question of something being RIGHT the same as something popular. It may not be a popular decision to make gay marriage legal, but this bypasses the question of the nature of marriage: should it be exclusively between man and woman? Or does the right of two people who love each other to share that love come first? Does it matter who they are?
So - if people don't want gay marriage (the evidence for this is itself questionable), then it really ought to be asked if the objection to it is a reasonable one, even if popular.
Should other people have a right to impose their restrictions and reservations upon other people's private lives, impeding the happiness of people who do love each other?

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Old 02-11-2012, 09:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Marriage is a man-made convention, not a god-made one, as much as people will blather on endlessly about Adam and Eve vs. Adam and Steve and all that silliness.

As such, laws change. It's not illegal in the states for women to have jobs. It's not illegal for people to practice religions that aren't Christianity. It's just commonplace, and accepted.

Like any group experiencing any manner of persecution, the tides are turning in favor of the homosexual population, at long last. 50 years from now, it will be ludicrous to people that gay marriage was ever even illegal. Mark my words.

And that's a good thing.
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Why do gays want to get married?
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The right to marry and to start a family.
Because it's a human right?
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