TheBig3

But in all of these situations, that isn't a determination of freewill, no? Genetic permutations seem unrelated, but in one global system would you have no free will with the ability for genetic aberrations.

Whats the purpose there. Presumably something is making decisions for us. Right? Changes mean they'd have to be constantly making decisions to account for permutations or we have free will.

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Janszoon

Why does there have to be a purpose? Why would you assume "something is making decisions for us"?

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Well if you were to follow that line of logic then God would be making those decisions. God would essentially be described as DNA/Cells or organic matter that is reacting to everything causing our actions.

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TheBig3

Well if we're not doing it, who is?

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Why do you assume anyone is?

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TheBig3

Its not my assumption. How do you supposed decisions are pre-determined if no one is determining them?

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The same way the path of a river is determined. A river doesn't decide to turn east or west, and no one decides for it. Its "choice" of direction is simply a product of how its natural properties interact with the environment.

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Rivers don't have frontal lobes, Mr. Zoon.

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Well this sounds like the same problem we're having in the eSports thread. What is free will?

I won't argue that people have a predilection toward acting one way or another. I'd agree. But the idea that we can't overthrow that just won't jive with my view of the world. I'm guessing I'm not understanding you here, but I assume you'd agree with that.

As an example. I like to sleep a lot more than I like to work. Still, I get up at 6 every day to go to work and forego an extra 3 hours of sleep. I'm designed to want to sleep, but by virture of my wanting to eat and having a Super Ego, I get up and I go to work.

Are we talking about different things?

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You're mind recognizes the need to maintain a job in our society, that the negatives of sleeping in outweigh the postives. In your case, the Super Ego appears to outrank the need of sleep.

Just because we don't have free will, doesn't mean our thinking is primitive. We have a high enough intelligence to recognize cause and effect, and consequences of actions.