Children killed in Connecticut school shooting (likely 27 dead,including 18 children)

Paedantic Basterd · 12-25-2012, 09:11 PM

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PoorOldPo · 12-25-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

School shootings & civilian-on-civilian massacres are nothing new in this country.

The U.S. will have higher rates of violence. Why? Because the majority of people in this country are descended from immigrants, meaning they've a higher tendency towards risky behavior than the population of the country they left behind. This has rather obvious implications on the prevalence of violence.

Everyone is an immigrant from somewhere so.....I don't agree.

Burning Down · 12-25-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

School shootings & civilian-on-civilian massacres are nothing new in this country.

The U.S. will have higher rates of violence. Why? Because the majority of people in this country are descended from immigrants, meaning they've a higher tendency towards risky behavior than the population of the country they left behind. This has rather obvious implications on the prevalence of violence.

The same thing can be said about Canada but you don't see us shooting up schools and movie theatres and temples... the last major mass shooting here was almost 8 years ago and the one before that.... I don't even know. That's how rarely it happens here.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 12-26-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

School shootings & civilian-on-civilian massacres are nothing new in this country.

The U.S. will have higher rates of violence. Why? Because the majority of people in this country are descended from immigrants, meaning they've a higher tendency towards risky behavior than the population of the country they left behind. This has rather obvious implications on the prevalence of violence.

Ah how wonderful, you're here.

ThePhanastasio · 12-26-2012, 12:55 AM

I don't see it as being a mere cultural stigma from immigration. There is an absolute rubbish mental health system in the states. I mean, Hell, I have good health insurance, and I can't even get anything but 25% of my mental health insurance covered. Along with that, there's in many states the requirement that the person be violent prior to said episode before mental institutionalization is even mentioned.

With that, there's only an average of 24 hours - 72 hours for your average stay, and it takes several weeks for many medications to even take effect.

I could go on and on about my personal experience, but I've never been violent, so my personal experience doesn't include much. Long story short, there's a lot of stuff wrong here; the ease of access to firearms coupled with the flawed mental health system don't really help much.

Neapolitan · 12-26-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

School shootings & civilian-on-civilian massacres are nothing new in this country.

The U.S. will have higher rates of violence. Why? Because the majority of people in this country are descended from immigrants, meaning they've a higher tendency towards risky behavior than the population of the country they left behind. This has rather obvious implications on the prevalence of violence.

Good point, Attila the Hun and Napoleon Bonaparte immigrated all over the place exhibiting risky behaviour.

Unknown Soldier · 12-26-2012, 03:25 AM

I think what HHBH is trying to imply, is that the USA is made up of immigrants from literally everywhere and most of those would've come from the lower levels of society from the country where they came from, hence violence and risky behaviour wasn't anything new to them.

Unknown Soldier · 12-26-2012, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorOldPo

No one really gets shot in Ireland. You get the odd stabbing every once and a while though. My dad has a shotgun, and knows how to use it, but that is because he is from a farming backround, I also sort of know how to use it, although I doubt I will ever have to. There is definitely something wrong with America right now, and I have heard both arguments in relation to the gun issue, I honestly don't know what would be better.It is going to get much worse before it gets better I'm afraid.

I don't know what the news is like where you are concerning the shootings, but here in the UK we are quite amazed that there is an argument in the states, that one future answer to the shootings is that armed guards should now be posted as schools in an effort to deter future shootings.

I haven't read through too much of this thread, so I don't know if what I've put above is in entirely true and just another example of the UK press jumping on something. If true though, I find that solution disturbing.

**Janszoon** · 12-26-2012, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I think what HHBH is trying to imply, is that the USA is made up of immigrants from literally everywhere and most of those would've come from the lower levels of society from the country where they came from, hence violence and risky behaviour wasn't anything new to them.

Wouldn't that also be true of Canada though?

Unknown Soldier · 12-26-2012, 06:49 AM

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Wouldn't that also be true of Canada though?

The best way to asses this, is to look at four English speaking countries that have been built up on immigration. These four would be the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Then looking at the ratio of gun ownership and how it relates to gun crime in each of the respective countries. I' sure there are stats out there for this. Then one of the most crucial factors is the type of immigration that each country attracts.

Initially both the USA and Australia took anybody before they really tightened up on their immigration criteria, whereas Canada and New Zealand have always been more restrictive on the type of immigrants that they let in.

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