Dimensions and Their Numerical Progression

Face · 01-13-2013, 04:51 AM

2/4 dimensional beings, ghosts and acid trips crossing dimensions my arse. This is "physics" gobbldey****.

PoorOldPo · 01-13-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Face

2/4 dimensional beings, ghosts and acid trips crossing dimensions my arse. This is "physics" gobbldey****.

We are ignorant to everything around us. Science only goes so far.Also are you refuting what carl sagan was saying?

seekn4 · 01-13-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wiggums

I can't help but correct you -- the guy who said we had 5 senses also thought there were 4 elements. Get with the times man, we have more like 20 senses or so.

Lawl, I also like how you listed them out as if we actually needed a refresher.

Thanks for proving my point, that is exactly what I said, we have more senses than just 5, so evidently you don't need a refresher you need to learn how to comprehend written word, lol

Face · 01-13-2013, 10:07 AM

We can babble on forever uninformatively about things that could, may, or may not exist in other dimensions that may or may not exist and that we have no evidence for and if they do exist don't actually affect us in any way.

There are plenty of actually interesting and flabbergasting aspects of physics and the cosmos we don't understand but are actual issues or have some substance behind them (dark energy, flow, matter, quantum physics). People going off looking for something more exotic like other dimensional beings and how trips might be us interacting just seems desperate.

You're confused about beings in the first and second dimensions, why we cannot see them and if they see us????

I usually like to try and remain level and intellectual, but screw it, bottom line is that's Gobbledy, ****ing, ****. So many layers of consideration before you even start to consider the "beings" existence. Although considering the dimensions can serve as a nice starter for how we percieve our universe and our lack of ability to view time as the fourth dimension, and how spacetime can "bend" (rubbersheet analogy).

And then if you want to approach from the philosophical angle, there are far more substantial aspects on that front as well, if you consider the branching universes it challenges free will etc rather than wondering if creatures existing in 2d are responsible for our dreams and ghost sightings.

seekn4 · 01-13-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

It's "spatial" - I know that, but "dementions"? seriously what are you trying to say "dimensions" or "dementia?" If it's the latter do you have "spatial dementia?"

Evidently no-one on this forum understands that the 4th dimension is something we see in our mind not something external, it is in our consciousness, internal sight. If the 4d doesn't make sense to you it means you are looking in the wrong place for the answer. Our minds have the ability to make sense of everything if you let it.
Have you ever noticed that when you are doing something that you really enjoy doing or love, and feel positive emotion about, time seems to fly, time is illusory. And when you are feeling negative emotion or something you hate, time seems to slow down. When you do what you have a passion for you will understand and be living in what you call the 4th dimension.
If the knowledge of the 4th dimension can't be applied to our lives and make them better, its a waste of time to talk or think about. That's what spirituality does, it takes the useless knowledge and makes it usefull.

anticipation · 01-13-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

Haha...I was wondering if we would get there. In a nutshell, yes...I think a lot of unexplainable occurrences can be explained by interactions with another dimension. In fact, a lot of physicists believe that certain particles appearing and disappearing inexplicably are the result of them traveling dimensions, and these are observed in labs all the time. I do also feel (as do a lot of scientists out there) that taking psychedelics does open up our perception to a taste of the extra-dimensional world. While taking DMT, a lot of people report "intelligent" geometric shapes...my hypothesis is a lot of this is actually us perceiving the 2d world. A lot of the unexplainable stuff that happens during a breakthrough trip could also be a hint of the 4d world (again...our minds would not even be able to comprehend that this is what we are seeing - as Carl Sagan put it, that dimension is completely out of our experience). In fact, it is hard for our minds to even store that experience in memory, so we start focusing on the feelings we had and end up feeling as if it was a religious experience (for those who have taken a psychedelic - the experience you describe is nowhere near the actual experience, no?). All we are left with is the impression that something we won't ever be able to understand just happened to us...just like when Carl Sagan's 2d shape tried to explain his experience with the apple.

Seeing full blow apparitions that look human, though...I don't know about that one. My own personal beliefs are that the human mind carries so much energy that an unexpected and rapid death creates some kind of "imprint"...much like radiation. But that's a theory for another thread.

I find this incredibly interesting because of the vast difference in the perceptions that living things possess. We study the vision and thermal senses of animals such as snakes, birds, bees, and fish and find that they vary quite immensely and interestingly. I believe that our perception of "dimension" is unfortunately quite limited, mostly because our brain's capability to process complex environments is limited. Think about being underwater and the effect it has on your reality, now think about being in the vastness of space. Our ability to survive and function in the majority universe is quite low, despite it being made up of the same elements we are. Add in the idea that the universe is roughly one large goo of particles in a constant reconfiguration, with large waves of atoms, particles, and molecules collide and chaotically reshape the universe like an ocean, and it becomes harder to imagine what other dimensions could possibly be perceived as, or what kind of "beings" exist on those planes. I believe it is unlikely they would exist in any fashion that we could understand so I would hesitate to say we will ever comprehend them.

Also, the idea of the imprint is awesome. I wonder what happens to our atoms when we die, and if there is a significance to atoms that have held "life" after that life has passed on. If existence is one continuity, then what would happen to our conscience after our physical and sensory understanding of the world was removed?

seekn4 · 01-13-2013, 11:44 AM

what would happen to our conscience after our physical and sensory understanding of the world was removed?

If you study people that had the "death" experience and came back, they all say that their consciousness never stopped, even in people that were clinically dead for over 45 min then revived.
There is a book called "Proof of Heaven, a neurosurgeons journey into the afterlife". By Eben Alexander M.D. who was an athiest until he died and came back, now he believes in God. The only science we can have on that subject is studying people who have experienced this. Some things we want to understand our only option it to take it on faith.

PoorOldPo · 01-13-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Face

We can babble on forever uninformatively about things that could, may, or may not exist in other dimensions that may or may not exist and that we have no evidence for and if they do exist don't actually affect us in any way.

There are plenty of actually interesting and flabbergasting aspects of physics and the cosmos we don't understand but are actual issues or have some substance behind them (dark energy, flow, matter, quantum physics). People going off looking for something more exotic like other dimensional beings and how trips might be us interacting just seems desperate.

You're confused about beings in the first and second dimensions, why we cannot see them and if they see us????

I usually like to try and remain level and intellectual, but screw it, bottom line is that's Gobbledy, ****ing, ****. So many layers of consideration before you even start to consider the "beings" existence. Although considering the dimensions can serve as a nice starter for how we percieve our universe and our lack of ability to view time as the fourth dimension, and how spacetime can "bend" (rubbersheet analogy).

And then if you want to approach from the philosophical angle, there are far more substantial aspects on that front as well, if you consider the branching universes it challenges free will etc rather than wondering if creatures existing in 2d are responsible for our dreams and ghost sightings.

Yes I am very interested in quantum physics as well, but this thread is about dimensions and the possibilities of adding a fourth dimension, let alone a fifth or a sixth and so on, and what would it be like in these dimensions. Considering the stark difference between the idea of living in a two-dimensional world and living in a three-dimensional world. We are not here to talk about quantum physics or dark matter, (both of which I am very interested in) I would be happy to take a look at a thread you might start about those. All I ask is that you take a look at the videos I posted and not be narrow minded about them and pass them off as "gobbeldy ****" when they are far more than that. And besides, its Carl ****ing Sagan!

GuitarBizarre · 01-13-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

what would happen to our conscience after our physical and sensory understanding of the world was removed?

If you study people that had the "death" experience and came back, they all say that their consciousness never stopped, even in people that were clinically dead for over 45 min then revived.
There is a book called "Proof of Heaven, a neurosurgeons journey into the afterlife". By Eben Alexander M.D. who was an athiest until he died and came back, now he believes in God. The only science we can have on that subject is studying people who have experienced this. Some things we want to understand our only option it to take it on faith.

I'll be honest, you're so, so unbelievably far away from talking about anything related to this thread, that I'm really hoping a mod takes exception and removes all your posts, since there are so many of them that the thread is actually now not only off topic, but also hard to follow since you won't shut the **** up and let the actual discussion take place.

wiggums · 01-13-2013, 02:48 PM

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I'll be honest, you're so, so unbelievably far away from talking about anything related to this thread, that I'm really hoping a mod takes exception and removes all your posts, since there are so many of them that the thread is actually now not only off topic, but also hard to follow since you won't shut the **** up and let the actual discussion take place.

Careful, he might preach at you again in the form of a condescending wall of bull****.

If you look at his posts, all of them are about religion or "spiritualism" or whatever. He only posts in the "god is in your mind" thread and other religion related topics. Not saying thats breaking any rules, buts it is real ****in annoying.

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Face Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Posts: 306	We can babble on forever uninformatively about things that could, may, or may not exist in other dimensions that may or may not exist and that we have no evidence for and if they do exist don't actually affect us in any way. There are plenty of actually interesting and flabbergasting aspects of physics and the cosmos we don't understand but are actual issues or have some substance behind them (dark energy, flow, matter, quantum physics). People going off looking for something more exotic like other dimensional beings and how trips might be us interacting just seems desperate. You're confused about beings in the first and second dimensions, why we cannot see them and if they see us???? I usually like to try and remain level and intellectual, but screw it, bottom line is that's Gobbledy, **ing, **. So many layers of consideration before you even start to consider the "beings" existence. Although considering the dimensions can serve as a nice starter for how we percieve our universe and our lack of ability to view time as the fourth dimension, and how spacetime can "bend" (rubbersheet analogy). And then if you want to approach from the philosophical angle, there are far more substantial aspects on that front as well, if you consider the branching universes it challenges free will etc rather than wondering if creatures existing in 2d are responsible for our dreams and ghost sightings.