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Trollheart

Call me the old dinosaur, the knight in tarnished armour or just an old fart, but I hold doors for women, mind my language around them (and children), rush to help any woman struggling with a heavy weight (like a woman in front of me in the queue at the supermarket trying to lift a 20-pack of beer out of her trolley to be scanned; I lifted it out for her and back in when the thing was finished), don't wear a hat but might tip it in the presence of a woman if I did, give up my seat to ladies on buses and all the other good stuff. I don't go out much now at all and certainly not with a girl but on the odd occasions when I did she might as well have left her money at home, as I considered that I was taking her out (even only as friends) so I was paying for everything.

And yeah, with me it is mostly women, just how I was brought up. But I'd do some of these things (open doors, give up seat, let someone in in front of me in a queue etc) for older people of either gender. But not dogs. Dogs can ****ing wait till I've put my shopping through. The cheek of them.

I think not so much etiquette but good manners/chivalry can really help make the world go round. Course it doesn't always work and sometimes you get scorned and frowned at, but when it's appreciated it can make someone's day a little better I always feel. Oh, and I always give compliments to women --- assuming I know them --- cos I know that where compliments are concerned you are all greedy, ravenous monsters wanting
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Cuthbert

I rarely compliment anyone tbh. I see them being given so much now that they don't really mean anything and when I pay someone a compliment I want them to know I mean it. In my opinion of course.

Honestly I don't think I treat women any differently to men. I hold doors open and offer people a hand because it's the polite thing to do, everybody gets that treatment from me.

Works both ways though, if a woman hit me if I would have no problem punching her if I felt like it, and I have done in the past. And I know lads who will get involved if a woman is fighting with her boyfriend which I think is stupid, seen lads do this only to get attacked by the girlfriend.

tl;dr - If you want to be nice then be nice but I don't think gender should influence your actions.

CrazyVegn

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P A N

etiquette and chivalry are something i have a lot of respect for, reason being that it creates an order to things which leaves out the possibility of awkwardness concerning certain things. to me it's the same as knowing what kind of wine goes with a certain meal or what to wear to a certain event.

the funny/trying thing about it is, that certain aspects of etiquette and chivalry are still readily expected while others are found to be offensive. this lies more in the department of chivalry really, as some women find fault with anything that can (in my opinion artbitrarily) subtract from their show of independence. i can respect that, but truth be told, thinking/acting that way complicates things and when someone opens a door for you, just say thank you, no matter what sex you are.

personally, when i'm on a date, i expect a woman to be lady-like. if she doesn't, i don't hold it against her, but i notice it. what i notice even more is when a woman waits for a door to be opened for her. i feel blessed to be in the company of women who expect a gentleman out of me. it's not that i crave dainty women or women who need to be taken care of. it's just classy when a woman can fuse independence with the manners of a lady.

all that being said, i've never ordered on behalf of a woman. i don't personally think that's gentlemanly at all unless she's voiced a personal need or desire to have that done for her, which has never happened to me aside from a drink here and there. other than that, i hold doors for anyone who is behind me. i walk on the road-side of any sidewalk when in the company of women. i try not to swear, but usually fail at some point. i pay for everything unless an issue is made of it. i hold and carry bags and whatever else it takes to relieve women or the elderly of tasks that might make one dirty or tired. i pull chairs out and push them back in. i smoke as far away as possible from non-smokers and will leave any group when i have to fart or burp. all that stuff. i just think it's cool. that, and i was raised to pay a high respect to elders and women. i couldn't shake it if i tried.

Cuthbert

Don't see the problem tbh Can you explain why you disagree?

I don't see why someone should tolerate violence purely because the perpetrator happens to be female. The girl in question was horrible to my sister and then became violent toward me, I felt like hitting her back so I did

I'm not saying it's fine to attack people, I'm not a bully. What makes it worse for a man to hit a woman than for a man to hit a man though?

CrazyVegn

Just unequal strength (extreme physical unfairness), Kittens.

Cuthbert

I get you, but that doesn't apply in every case, and if the logic is that the woman can't fight back, surely by striking first she has proven that she can in fact fight?

Also if a large man hits a smaller man is that equally as wrong? Most people wouldn't bat an eyelid at that and there's an extreme physical difference there.

I respect your opinion though

ThePhanastasio

I hold doors for people, say excuse me when I bump into someone or am in someone's way, and, now that I've determined from youthful experience it's not all right, don't applaud funeral singers.

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CrazyVegn

Well I can understand hating on someone who hurt your sibling. In my experience little men are (pardon my French) ****ing STRONG - no different than any taller than them.

"personally, when i'm on a date, i expect a woman to be lady-like. if she doesn't, i don't hold it against her, but i notice it. what i notice even more is when a woman waits for a door to be opened for her. i feel blessed to be in the company of women who expect a gentleman out of me. it's not that i crave dainty women or women who need to be taken care of. it's just classy when a woman can fuse independence with the manners of a lady."

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