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And if same gendered couples can marry then soon people will wanna marry their dogs. Drawing lines like that is just silly dude, everything is it's own case.

Anyways, millions of people died in some of the worst ways human beings have ever died under a flag with a swastika on it. Why is it so frustrating to you that someone would be upset by seeing such a symbol? Yeah, you might be wearing it because you choose to interpret it as something else but other people shouldn't be expected to do the same. The fact is, swastikas are now and forever associated with human tragedy and people have every right to see it that way.

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Scarlett O'Hara

Honestly, you're pushing people's buttons by making light of the symbol, as though people don't have a right to be offended by it because it "used" to be used by other civilizations in a positive form. At the end of the day, most people will be upset about it because it represents the most evil of human nature because of the Nazi regime during WWII.

Exactly. The sooner Larehip gets it the better this thread will get.

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Lord Larehip

I should not be reviled because I choose to wear a swastika. It's my business why I wear it and no one else's. It doesn't hurt you or anyone that I wear one. If I physically attack and hurt you, I should be reviled for that and not because I attacked you while wearing a swastika. Censoring a swastika for what the Nazis did is like censoring happy faces because of what the happy face killer did.

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Janszoon

So do symbols have meaning or do they not have meaning?

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Lord Larehip

They have to have meaning to be regarded as symbols. But who calls the shots over what meaning a symbol gets? It's the mainstream and what is the mainstream? It's the official version of culture that the State wants us to adhere to. When ideas are introduced to public discourse that run counter to this official version, then the State must suppress it through trivialization or ridicule. It can then be controlled and reintroduced to public discourse in a sterile, "harmless" form so that it goes from iconoclast to pariah.

In the case of the swastika, you have a fresh idea that challenges a long held tenet of the mainstream discourse--namely, the swastika is not a symbol of evil or terror.

In our society we have these competing, safe-for-mass-consumption views that want to impose themselves over the other. This is done mainly to paralyze society into a kind of zombie state. The state where you get up, drive to work and, if you even bother to reflect on it, don't remember a damn thing about your drive into work. You're just a nameless, faceless cog in the State's machinery serving the purpose it wants you to serve. Leave the thinking to others who have the brains to navigate the quagmire.

It then becomes necessary to invent an enemy that proves how this mainstream zombie state we live in is much better than anything else. This enemy is called terrorism but it has corollaries as "Nazi" or "Hitlerian" or "anti-Semitic" for example. So this symbol of the swastika has become useful as the representative of this imagined enemy.

The mainstream brainwashing is astonishing once you start looking at it objectively instead of (falsely) believing you have a stake in this thing. I was watching the news last night and there was a kind of point-counterpoint segment between a white conservative and a Muslim who publishes a newsletter in Dearborn (called the city with the second most amount of terrorist connections by some report or other). The conservative tells the Muslim: "Your publication deserves to be called terrorist because you call Hamas freedom-fighters. You are anti-Semitic!"

He presented the mainstream view. Somebody is a terrorist not by what he's done but by what he believes about Hamas. As for being antisemitic, have you ever looked up what a Semite is? An Arab IS a Semite. Here's a white man calling a Semite an anti-Semite. Moreover, Semitic refers to a linguistic group and yet somehow we have allowed the Jews to appropriate the word as though they are the only Semites. If you are anti-Arab you too are an anti-Semite. Since most Jews are of European descent today, you are more justified to call them anti-Semitic than an Arab who hates them.

Mainstream discourse has turned the truth on its head because truth is inimical to it. Truth is an obstacle to mass consumption and mass consumption is the name of the game.

Symbols are potent tools either for mass consumption or for truth which is why the State must not be allowed to dictate the meaning but it is difficult to get this across because the mass media is so seductive.

I know this response is going to generate a bunch of "tldr" crap but your question is profound one deserving of a detailed answer and not a safe-for-online-consumption word-byte non-answer that online communities encourage.

St.Roostifer

I'm not really into symbols and stuff but I agree with the poster that started this thread. Modern people do not know history worth a ****. This symbol has been used by many ancient cultures and most weren't even white. Yet our history books leave out this tid bit of info to solely focus our attention on Nazi Germany that made it such a horrible thing. The swastica did not commit the crimes of Nazi Germany, Nazi Germany did.

Before Nazi Germany, the swastica was known as a sign of peace and prosperity ( its why Hitler chose it, likely propanganda) but because modern humans have been dumbed down by their government , history books, the media etc, so people associate with something horrible despite its origins that predate Nazi Germany by thousands of years.

Essentially, people have been brain washed. Nothing new really since this has been going on forever. I'm not advocating running around with a swastica on the front of your T-shirt, just to recognize that one ******* has imprinted the wrong association with this symbol. A symbol that truly stands for peace and prosperity and not what Nazi Germany used it for.

Carpe Mortem

Yeah, keeping the stigma on swastikas is kinda like wanting to keep pot illegal because a few idiots got into car accidents.

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John Wilkes Booth

nobody disagrees with that. the thing is you can't really revive the original swastika in a western setting because nazis in all western countries have made it their symbol. so it will usually be associated with racism. maybe if you go to india and include it in the way it was traditionally included, then nobody will care.

sort of like the 6 point star that almost got rick ross killed. it was originally a jewish symbol but because it has been co-opted by a gang it has a different meaning now in certain places. but in other places its just the star of david.

GuitarBizarre

Again, the question remains - Why do you care about reclaiming this symbol?

What do you gain apart from a sense of smug self satisfaction?

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