The Refugee crisis

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 11-10-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilja

You do realise that turkey has taken in the largest amount of syrian
Refugees at this point (1.7 million). Those are just the documented ones.

nah, i didn't. though it makes sense since they are right there on the border. regardless, the islamic world should take all of the refugees imo.

just like europe and the united states should've taken all the jewish refugees from ww2. it was a mistake to import them to the middle east and it is a mistake to do the same in reverse.

Unknown Soldier · 11-10-2015, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

which city is that?

Isn't that obvious.

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no.. i'm from south florida. i grew up in a multicultural society. one where haitians, jamacans, cubans, puerto ricans, mexican, guatemalans, black americans, white americans all existed in close proximity. the result? you get neighborhoods which are haitian, neighborhoods which are mexican, neighborhoods which are black, etc.

But this is common knowledge wherever immigrants go, it's obvious due to their situation that they're going to where immigrants of their own kind exist. Some will remain in these ghettos but others will move on and assimilate, it's all part of the assimilation process, for some its quite quick and for others it can take a generation or two.

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keep in mind all of these people come from relatively similar cultures in comparison to europe vs asia or north africa... and even so there is ethnic tension. guatemalans were often targeted by black gangsters for robberies and were generally looked down upon. black american gangs and haitian gangs would shoot eachother up despite both being black. mexicans and puerto ricans and cubans etc similarly didn't always get along with eachother.

What makes you think that their cultures are more similar than those of North Africa, parts of Asia and Europe? Latin America is well known for its gang culture and turf wars anyway, all that's happened is that it's just been transported to your country as the Italians did in the 1920s and 1930s.

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worthless dismissal with no substance. provide some historical precedents, then.

So you really don't think nationalists would ever use this kind of rhetoric?

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yea... but if the culture in question is incompatible with that of the host country then they shouldn't be importing that culture in the first place.

Nonsense and that statement alone shows that a person like you really has no concept of what immigration is all about. The whole process of immigration is difficult by nature, it only becomes easier when the people are moving from complete freedom of choice.

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no, i haven't been to europe. i've been up and down the east coast of the united stated. i've talked to quite a few people from your country who share this point of view, and i try to keep up on international affairs. i assume you similarly have opinions about american politics.

Well if you're going to speak to people with similar views as yourself, they're going to share your minimalistic viewpoints...... obvious innit,

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it's a hypothetical situation... basically an analogy. failing to entertain the hypothetical is a sign of a lack of intelligence.

I agree because when you're not trolling, you're normally spouting out this kind of bollocks concerning immigrants, the whole topic seems to be your trigger point for trolling, so yer I guess entertaining you here is a lack of intelligence on my part, but I guess somebody has to try and rebuke you...........

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 11-10-2015, 02:35 PM

just googled and found this

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Despite the praise the government’s stance has garnered abroad, there is growing discontent among Turks regarding the growing number of refugees. Many fear that the open-border policy is fueling the country’s “Arabization,” a perceived step back in the republic’s almost century-long effort to divorce itself from its Ottoman past.

According to Turkish sociologist Didem Daniş, these anti-Arab attitudes are a manifestation of Turkey’s official state ideology. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the republic’s founder, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, famously vowed to “cleanse the Turkish mind from its Arabic roots.” To achieve this end, the existing Ottoman script, which was based on the Arabic alphabet, was abolished and replaced with the contemporary 29-letter, Latin-derived Turkish alphabet. This was a cornerstone of Atatürk’s plan to modernize Turkey. “In our minds, [which are] shaped by the official ideology, Arabs are not favored. Two peoples who have certain prejudices against each other all of a sudden having to live together certainly leads to significant tension,” Daniş explained in an interview with Zaman, one of Turkey’s largest daily newspapers.

Why Syrian Refugees in Turkey Are Leaving for Europe | The Nation

case in point. it's hard enough for these refugees to assimilate into turkey, their muslim next door neighbors due to ethnic tensions. that only makes the prospect of europe or america taking on the burden even more dismal.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 11-10-2015, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Isn't that obvious.

ah, london. yea london is doing swell, isn't it. violent crime rates in your city are 4x that of NYC. enjoy your multicultural ****hole, pal.

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But this is common knowledge wherever immigrants go, it's obvious due to their situation that they're going to where immigrants of their own kind exist. Some will remain in these ghettos but others will move on and assimilate, it's all part of the assimilation process, for some its quite quick and for others it can take a generation or two.

yea... all i am saying is immigration should be regulated for the benefit of the host country rather than used as a form of charity... unless you want to import poverty, crime and ethnic and cultural tension on a massive scale.

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What makes you think that their cultures are more similar than those of North Africa, parts of Asia and Europe? Latin America is well known for its gang culture and turf wars anyway, all that's happened is that it's just been transported to your country as the Italians did in the 1920s and 1930s.

well for example they are all christian so there is no religious disagreement. and none of these cultures hold ideologies which are fundamentally opposed to western secularism or pluralism, the way some conservative muslims do.

and actually the gangs in question don't exist in the countries they came from. for example... the haitian gang zoe pound started in miami. it's not a local chapter of a gang that exists in haiti. it started specifically because of the ethnic tension in miami, as a way for haitians to stick together and support each other against other ethnic groups.

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So you really don't think nationalists would ever use this kind of rhetoric?

doesn't matter if they would. if you want to dispute what i'm saying then you'll have to try harder than "thats what a nationalist would say." provide the historical precedents in question or stop wasting my time.

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Nonsense and that statement alone shows that a person like you really has no concept of what immigration is all about. The whole process of immigration is difficult by nature, it only becomes easier when the people are moving from complete freedom of choice.

Well if you're going to speak to people with similar views as yourself, they're going to share your minimalistic viewpoints...... obvious innit,

I agree because when you're not trolling, you're normally spouting out this kind of bollocks concerning immigrants, the whole topic seems to be your trigger point for trolling, so yer I guess entertaining you here is a lack of intelligence on my part, but I guess somebody has to try and rebuke you...........

meh... you're devolving to just attacking me with no substance so you're not leaving me anything to argue back against. i'm going to start ignoring points like these. i'd love to sink to your level and have us a good ol flame war but the mods will descend upon me in an instant.

The Batlord · 11-10-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

just googled and found this

Why Syrian Refugees in Turkey Are Leaving for Europe | The Nation

case in point. it's hard enough for these refugees to assimilate into turkey, their muslim next door neighbors due to ethnic tensions. that only makes the prospect of europe or america taking on the burden even more dismal.

Well, according to that article the Turks are actively rejecting Arabs and Arab influences, whereas we are just kind of ambivalent. Sounds like they'd fair better here than there.

Unknown Soldier · 11-10-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

just googled and found this

Why Syrian Refugees in Turkey Are Leaving for Europe | The Nation

case in point. it's hard enough for these refugees to assimilate into turkey, their muslim next door neighbors due to ethnic tensions. that only makes the prospect of europe or america taking on the burden even more dismal.

You really don't get it do you, just how democratic by the standards of the western world do you think Turkey is? I've been to Turkey and it's an interesting country but democratic it certainly isn't and it's no wonder nobody wants them in the EU.

You're again making the mistake of thinking that immigrants should only be moving to countries where they are culturally similar and the article that you've used actually defeats your own viewpoint.

The problem with this vein of thought, is that the whole process of immigration becomes limited if people are restricted on where they go due to cultural likeness. I guess you're the type of guy that likes putting things into boxes.

Finally and most importantly, where should these Latin American, African and Middle Eastern immigrants and refugees be going to, based on your logic of easier cultural assimilation?

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 11-10-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Well, according to that article the Turks are actively rejecting Arabs and Arab influences, whereas we are just kind of ambivalent. Sounds like they'd fair better here than there.

the turkish people are expressing nationalist sentiments. their govt is letting the refugees in. very similar to the situation in germany, for example.

Unknown Soldier · 11-10-2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

ah, london. yea london is doing swell, isn't it. violent crime rates in your city are 4x that of NYC. enjoy your multicultural ****hole, pal.

Personally I think it's a great city, loads to do, great parks and I've yet to ever have anybody take a shot at me.

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yea... all i am saying is immigration should be regulated for the benefit of the host country rather than used as a form of charity... unless you want to import poverty, crime and ethnic and cultural tension on a massive scale.

Immigration is for the benefit of the host country and it's only refugees that are a charity.

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well for example they are all christian so there is no religious disagreement. and none of these cultures hold ideologies which are fundamentally opposed to western secularism or pluralism, the way some conservative muslims do.

I don't know why you keep get your knickers in a twist over conservative muslims, you really should control these thought patterns better. Why don't you start talking about pop culture or flower arranging, they'll help soothe you.

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and actually the gangs in question don't exist in the countries they came from. for example... the haitian gang zoe pound started in miami. it's not a local chapter of a gang that exists in haiti. it started specifically because of the ethnic tension in miami, as a way for haitians to stick together and support each other against other ethnic groups.

Stop being naïve, a nice boy for example from Guatemala just doesn't arrive in a new country and decide to become a ruthless gangster, if he does he was normally a bad apple to start with and most gang members have been in gangs in their own countries before anyway.

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meh... you're devolving to just attacking me with no substance so you're not leaving me anything to argue back against. i'm going to start ignoring points like these. i'd love to sink to your level and have us a good ol flame war but the mods will descend upon me in an instant.

Why will the mods descend upon you? Oh yes I remember it's because you have a history of flaming and trolling on these kind of threads.

If you want to do this, you should try and be more like Hip Hop Bunny Hop..... now that guy had class

~~Cuthbert~~ · 11-10-2015, 03:34 PM

London is probably the best city in the world, certainly it's one of them. This coming from someone who hates the place.

#js

Unknown Soldier · 11-10-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeytennis

London is probably the best city in the world. This coming from someone who hates the place.

#js

That's because you come from ****ty Birmingham

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	London is probably the best city in the world, certainly it's one of them. This coming from someone who hates the place. #js