DwnWthVwls

Very cool.

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Definitely cool

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so wait... if you get hiv these days it doesn't necessarily mean you'll eventually die of aids? was there a press release i missed or something?

right... i mean i'm not a math genius or anything but i think the point he was making was that since, even if they haven't eradicated homophobia in whatever country, if the homophobia is the cause of the mental illnesses then you should see the stats on mental illness fluctuate with the amount of homophobia. and he was saying that the stats stay pretty much constant regardless of the country. meaning all countries have the same amount of homophobia, if homophobia is the cause

i dunno if any of that is true, just demonstrating the logic for you

those stats wouldn't add up because serial killers represent a much smaller portion of the population than heterosexual white males... thus making your conclusion mathematically impossible.

adidasss

Yes, antiretroviral treatment and drugs have been a reality for almost 20 years now. They not only significantly prolong the life expectancy of those with HIV to the point that HIV positive people are now expected to live as long as HIV negative people, but they also keep the virus levels so low they significantly reduce the chances of transmitting the virus to other people.

https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics...iv-treatments/

Management of HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obviously, a lot of work still needs to be done to educate people on HIV.

Well, I guess I could go and try to check up on his "facts", but considering that his premise is that homosexuals are mentally ill, I don't think I'll bother.

Not mathematically, but logically, same as every single conclusion he made in the video...

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John Wilkes Booth

right, i get you can prolong their life expectancy. but that to me still makes it sound like they'll eventually die of aids, it'll just take longer. will they eventually die of aids?


yea, i also dislike confronting ideas that conflict with my ideological presuppositions about the world.

er... nah, mathematically. if there's 100 people in the population, and 50 of them are men, and 3 are serial killers, then it's mathematically impossible that all 50 men or even most of them are serial killers, even if all 3 serial killers are men.

that applies to any of his arguments if the math is similarly wrong. i dunno if it is or not. but if there were 45 serial killers instead of just 3, and all of them were men, then it would be accurate to say that most men are serial killers.

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adidasss

I have no idea, I'm not a doctor, I assume they just die of complications due to old age, and frankly, if you're 80 and you die of whatever, I think you made it quite far. So, you know, if someone tells you you've got HIV and you'll die of it in 70 years!! I assume you won't go into hysterics over it. :/

I wouldn't say they conflict with anything really, they're just really stupid conclusions based on cherry picked information. I have no idea where his "facts" are pulled from but for example, what we don't know is what is inside these "statistics", what is the age of these mentally ill people, what kind of problems do they suffer from, and most importantly, what causes them, aside from their "perversion", as claimed by the "esteemed scholar" you seem to find funny. Have you bothered to check any of his hateful bullsh!t and if you're too lazy to do some fact checking before you buy into something, why the hell should I bother doing it for you?

The saddest part of this thread for me is that there are obviously still people out there, like you, who can listen to this crap and BELIEVE some of it.

Ok good, good, you're onto something.

Nope, lost it.

This kinda reminds me of this:



So, again, MATHEMATICALLY, if one person says they don't wont to tell their sexual partners they are HIV positive, does that mean ALL gay people don't want to do that? I am a gay person and I can tell you I would definitely want to tell my partner. Where does that get us? You have one gay person who doesn't want to tell and one who does. What does that say about ALL gay people? Mathematically?

Here's another one, I personally know a hundred gay people who would NEVER do bareback. So I guess NO gay people ever want to do bearback.

I know a straight couple who is in an open relationship. Does that mean ALL straight couples are in open relationships?

Are you aware there are swingers clubs for heterosexual married people? Does that mean your mom and dad are swingers?

See where I'm going with this?

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Like you, JWB. You're coming across like a total homophobic dick.

But (good for you) you don't care what anyone thinks.

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JWB, the linear correlation between homophobia and related mental illness is completely fallacious. You're talking about people not accepting thing that go against their preconceived notions, but you seem to be guilty of that yourself.

If we have a community of 100 people and 10 of them are homosexual and 15 of them are homophobic (and the rest are complacent, not taking any sides) the homosexuals will be closeted and suppressed. Some percentage of them will become mentally ill as a result. If we double the number of homophobic people, it's not going to change much. When everyone else is complacent, it gives the impression that the whole of society agrees with the loudest negative voices (by not speaking against them). And the people who do snap and become mentally ill are going to depend on the nature of their home and interpersonal relationships, not the prevalence of homophobia in their country.

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i reject the accusation that i'm homophobic. on a side note, why is everything 'phobic' these days? i mean if you're against a race then you're racist, if you're against a sex then you're sexist. but now everything is phobic. homophobic, transphobic, islamaphobic... er, i'm not scared of gays trains or muslims. a phobia is an intense irrational fear. what ever happened to just being a bigot?

but yea, i'm not bigoted against gays either. i think they should be able to get married, adopt children, die in the military, and purchase military grade automatic weapons just like every other god fearing american (except muslims).

also, i never said 'i don't care what anyone thinks.' that's just something you say about me. if i ever said it, then quote me. you just get that impression from me cause you're not used to conversing with someone who's not brainwashed by the liberal jewish media cartels like the rest of you people. (that's a joke, for all you antisemitephobes out there)