open challenge: can anyone debunk this homophobic rhetoric?

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-01-2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I have no idea, I'm not a doctor, I assume they just die of complications due to old age, and frankly, if you're 80 and you die of whatever, I think you made it quite far. So, you know, if someone tells you you've got HIV and you'll die of it in 70 years!! I assume you won't go into hysterics over it. :/

fair enough. i was honestly not aware that they made that much progress. still wouldn't **** someone with hiv. would you?

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I wouldn't say they conflict with anything really, they're just really stupid conclusions based on cherry picked information. I have no idea where his "facts" are pulled from but for example, what we don't know is what is inside these "statistics", what is the age of these mentally ill people, what kind of problems do they suffer from, and most importantly, what causes them, aside from their "perversion", as claimed by the "esteemed scholar" you seem to find funny. Have you bothered to check any of his hateful bullsh!t and if you're too lazy to do some fact checking before you buy into something, why the hell should I bother doing it for you?

nah, you shouldn't feel obligated to do so. and you're right to take it with a grain of salt until you or someone else does. but yea, "it sounds homophobic therefore i won't bother looking into it" sounds a bit closed minded to me.

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The saddest part of this thread for me is that there are obviously still people out there, like you, who can listen to this crap and BELIEVE some of it.

never once claimed to believe any of it. i just wanted someone to spell out precisely why it's wrong.

the saddest part of this thread to me is the fact that it seems the only appropriate reaction to hearing something that sounds homophobic is to mentally shut down, as if that solves anything.

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Ok good, good, you're onto something.

Nope, lost it.

This kinda reminds me of this:

So, again, MATHEMATICALLY, if one person says they don't wont to tell their sexual partners they are HIV positive, does that mean ALL gay people don't want to do that? I am a gay person and I can tell you I would definitely want to tell my partner. Where does that get us? You have one gay person who doesn't want to tell and one who does. What does that say about ALL gay people? Mathematically?

Here's another one, I personally know a hundred gay people who would NEVER do bareback. So I guess NO gay people ever want to do bearback.

I know a straight couple who is in an open relationship. Does that mean ALL straight couples are in open relationships?

Are you aware there are swingers clubs for heterosexual married people? Does that mean your mom and dad are swingers?

See where I'm going with this?

that's just a strawman though, since i never suggested causation, with the hypothetical example above.

but if 45 out of 50 men were serial killers, then it would be literally true that MOST men are serial killers. unless you interpret the word 'most' differently than i do. cause to me, it means the majority. and 45 out of 50 is a clear majority.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-01-2015, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Xurtio

JWB, the linear correlation between homophobia and related mental illness is completely fallacious. You're talking about people not accepting thing that go against their preconceived notions, but you seem to be guilty of that yourself.

nope. all i have questioned is arguments that seem less than convincing to me. mostly because i know that if i don't play devil's advocate here, nobody will. it's just not socially acceptable to do so. people are too afraid of appearing hateful. but for the record, i never said 'homophobia doesn't cause mental illness' or anything remotely close to that.

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If we have a community of 100 people and 10 of them are homosexual and 15 of them are homophobic (and the rest are complacent, not taking any sides) the homosexuals will be closeted and suppressed. Some percentage of them will become mentally ill as a result. If we double the number of homophobic people, it's not going to change much. When everyone else is complacent, it gives the impression that the whole of society agrees with the loudest negative voices (by not speaking against them). And the people who do snap and become mentally ill are going to depend on the nature of their home and interpersonal relationships, not the prevalence of homophobia in their country.

if you say so... that just doesn't seem self evident to me. i mean would you extend that logic to a scenario where 15 are homos, 1 is homophobic, and the rest are complacent? you'd expect homosexuals to be just as affected by 1 man's homophobia as they would if it were a relatively popular sentiment? that just sounds counter-intuitive to me.

or to bring it back to the real world... a gay man living in san fran vs a gay man living in saudi arabia.. you think they would be equally closeted and repressed?

The Batlord · 06-01-2015, 11:13 AM

I'd just like to point out to the people accusing JWB of being homophobic, that he has claimed to be bisexual, multiple times. At least as far as I remember.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-01-2015, 11:26 AM

yea i already tried that once

apparently that doesn't matter lol

**Frownland** · 06-01-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

yea i already tried that once

apparently that doesn't matter lol

#internalized

DwnWthVwls · 06-01-2015, 11:34 AM

You say your kinda gay and batlord likes it in the butt.. Why don't you guys kill two birds with one stone for MBs entertainment?

Chula Vista · 06-01-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'd just like to point out to the people accusing JWB of being homophobic, that he has claimed to be bisexual, multiple times. At least as far as I remember.

Lots of straight husbands are the worst misogynists.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-01-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

#internalized

don't get it

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

You say your kinda gay and batlord likes it in the butt.. Why don't you guys kill two birds with one stone for MBs entertainment?

so you assume that just cause i'm bi it means i'll sleep with any male? that's pretty homophobic man. you might wanna check your privilege, son.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-01-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Lots of straight husbands are the worst misogynists.

analogyfail... straight husbands aren't women, chula

**Frownland** · 06-01-2015, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

don't get it

It's tumblr speak. I doubt it really exists irl but it's when someone hates the group they identify with because of society and blah blah blah.

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