Policing Debate (Moved from the Confessional Thread)

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by fiddler

I don't agree that marijuana should be illegal. But society does, and so, I will do my job and enforce that law. That doesn't mean I might be more lenient because of it, sure, I might. But a lot of that too comes from how you approach me. If you're a douchebag about it, guess what? You're probably going to get what the law says you should get. If you're cool with me, I'm going to be cool with you. On the flip side of the same coin, if you wanted help, I would personally take you to an addiction counselor or program because that is my career. See the difference?

Nope. Pick a side, either enforce it or don't. It's not your job to police people based on their attitude towards you. If you don't believe it's right to ticket people for smoking weed then don't harass them, and if you do then do it to everyone.

Also, you're not serving your country. You're serving the political agendas of the government/big businesses, or town government/finances (quotas are bullshit). There are very few instances(relatively speaking) that I've ever seen of a cop/military man serving their community/country.

You do what your told by people who do not represent the average American.

[fiddler]

Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Ok, so I dig that 70% of people more than likely join the police force in hopes of making the world a better place. I respect that, and personally, I haven't ever been a dick to the police, even when having my face rearranged a second time. But ok, like that story I told you and Exo and some other people the other day is a prime example of people taking their job to the extreme and not reading in between the lines. I am just gonna use that as a format for what I am gonna say.

So right, shotgun in my face and sitting in my car, do you think I was anything but polite to the police? Honestly. When they started screaming where are the drugs and I just held my hand out the window and turned it over to them was it really necessary to pull me outta the car and bounce my head off the car? Nope. Like I said to you guys in plug, there is absolutely nothing threatening about me. Like nothing. I have even made the extra effort to be kind, and respectful, by addressing cops by their rank ect all my life.

Now that is the only time I have ever had a bad experience with the police.(Make no mistake, I have had some very serious run ins with the police. And have walked away from them by the skin of my teeth.) I have also had some minor run ins with them as well.

That particular day I got popped, I didn't want to be breaking the law. I got my ass beat into submission. And I was literally in fear for my life and or safety if I didn't do what was asked of me.

So here you have someone that is broken, right, it's written all over their face their brokenness, and in the way they talk and act, how on God's green earth are you gonna take a bruised, beaten, and bleeding woman to jail after beating her up even more, and then capping it off with a felony jacket. WHEN SHE HAS NO RECORD MIND YOU.

So because of that day, because I was delt a **** hand, a very very **** hand, I am forced to register myself as a felon, and carry a shame with me whenever I apply anywhere for anything or try to do anything.( I am no slouch btw that record doesn't hold me back from anything today but I had to pay handsomely for that. Both monetarily and psychologically).
So,from the moment I went down I had to learn how to survive in this country no longer being an upstanding member of society. For example by me checking into probation, every month I am crammed in an office with some of the worst people I have ever met in my life but me being the person I am and friendly like I am I talk to people, and made some connections I shouldn't have, and did somethings I shouldn't have and learned alot about being a criminal. But the most important thing I learned is that very few people set out to be criminals. Albeit you have the percentage that are for lack of a better term gangsters. That's what they do is crime, it runs in their family it's passed down, prison becomes a right of passage, and no doubt they need to ****ing be there. But the other handful of people are really good decent people, just dealt a **** hand and for whatever reason they chose to make a bad decision.
In my opinion police create criminals, and criminals create police. I was a victim of circumstance right, and it's the been the hardest thing I have ever done in my life crawling back from being what society deemed as a criminal, to not carry fear inside me (which totally never leaves you I still have my release papers in my glove box in my car because I'll be damned if I sit in jail on a clerical error and I was arrested 11 years ago.) If the police weren't doing a sting that day, and it was a patrol officer that busted me I might not have had that happen to me, and my life might be completely different. But because it was what it was and it was a task force of officers and fired up good ole boy ones at that, I was ****ed from the start and from that day on I am never really sure if the cop I encounter is looking at me or my jacket, you feel me?

That my friend has nothing to do with law makers, that has to do with the people we entrust to keep us safe, and keep order, being so regimented, hardened to the job, or whatever not making a human judgement call. And that's bull****. And that should be addressed, I dunno if that means giving you sensitivity training, and maybe giving even more power to law enforcement, I dunno. And I am not sure this is even a good response to what you wrote, I was just kinda thinking.

I've already told you what I thought of that, yes? Like every other profession, we have A LOT of f*cking douche bag idiots who make everyone else suffer.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Nope. Pick a side, either enforce it or don't. It's not your job to police people based on their attitude towards you. If you don't believe it's right to ticket people for smoking weed then don't harass them, and if you do then do it to everyone.

Also, you're not serving your country. You're serving the political agendas of the government/big businesses, or town government/finances (quotas are bullshit). There are very few instances(relatively speaking) that I've ever seen of a cop/military man serving their community/country.

You do what your told by people who do not represent the average American.

Remember that the next time a cop gives you a warning as opposed to a speeding ticket. And you misread, I'd still bust you for the drugs, but I'd get you help if you wanted it.

And do not disregard Soldiers in such a way, ever again. Understood? You may not agree with what we do, or the policies that put us where we are, but remember the "Average American" such as YOU put us there. If you have ever voted for a politician YOU put us there. Not us. Soldiers generally do not vote nor do we have political opinions because we get sent to where the politicians tell us to go, doesn't matter if we like it or not, so we tend to keep our opinions to ourselves.

[Guybrush]

I'm with Fiddler on this. The job is to enforce the law and so that's what you do. If a constable gets to pick and choose what laws should be enforced, that hurts the integrity of the whole police force.

[DwnWthVwls]

You told me in plug I can say whatever I want about you/soldiers because differing opinions are okay. I don't vote for anyone or anything. I didn't put you anywhere, and I'll go to prison before I ever go to war for the douchebags who control you.

You keeping your opinion to yourself is a problem. Organized killing machines with no thoughts of your own worth fighting for. Let the government do their own dirty work in the trenches if you don't agree with the cause. Sheep.

Originally Posted by fiddler

Soldiers generally do not vote nor do we have political opinions because we get sent to where the politicians tell us to go, doesn't matter if we like it or not, so we tend to keep our opinions to ourselves.

That's pretty much the epitome of why you suck.

[fiddler]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

You told me in plug I can say whatever I want about you/soldiers because differing opinions are okay. I don't vote for anyone or anything. I didn't put you anywhere, and I'll go to prison before I ever go to war for the douchebags who control you.

You keeping your opinion to yourself is a problem. Organized killing machines with no thoughts of your own worth fighting for. Let the government do their own dirty work in the trenches if you don't agree with the cause. Sheep.



That's pretty much the epitome of why you suck.

You CAN say whatever you want about me. It doesn't mean I have to agree with your opinion.

Not voting is just as bad as anything else, because you allow the system to function without putting a single effort forward to change it.

[DwnWthVwls]

I'm not against voting. There is just no one/thing to vote for. If the country had a voted on going to war in Iraq I would have signed up to say No.

[Oriphiel]

I think you both have good points. On the one hand, it's hard to sympathize with soldiers and police officers when they enforce laws that we/they see as unjust. On the other hand, the current political system is so large and bogged down that it seems almost impossible for the average person to really be heard, and it takes an extraordinary amount of force and time to have those unjust laws questioned and repealed. Even when people vote, our system dominated by just two parties can come off as a "pick your poison" kind of situation.

[RoxyRollah]

Originally Posted by fiddler

I've already told you what I thought of that, yes? Like every other profession, we have A LOT of f*cking douche bag idiots who make everyone else suffer.



Remember that the next time a cop gives you a warning as opposed to a speeding ticket. And you misread, I'd still bust you for the drugs, but I'd get you help if you wanted it.

And do not disregard Soldiers in such a way, ever again. Understood? You may not agree with what we do, or the policies that put us where we are, but remember the "Average American" such as YOU put us there. If you have ever voted for a politician YOU put us there. Not us. Soldiers generally do not vote nor do we have political opinions because we get sent to where the politicians tell us to go, doesn't matter if we like it or not, so we tend to keep our opinions to ourselves.

I think you missed my point in the middle.Hell I might have missed the point myself. But what I was saying is that I think sometimes, you all cause the problems you are trying to fix.

[fiddler]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I'm not against voting. There is just no one/thing to vote for. If the country had a voted on going to war in Iraq I would have signed up to say No.

That's the system for you. Either you work with the system to fight the system, or you stay quiet and you do the system's work for it.

I noticed how you did not respond to the warning v. ticket comment that I made. You are saying that you don't get to pick and choose, which I agree with. But, by the letter of the law, if you are going 36 in a 35 you have broken the law and deserve a ticket. Which I assume you don't want THAT running around being enforced - granted there are some towns & such that DO enforce it that harshly. It's generally hated.

[fiddler]

Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

I think you missed my point in the middle.Hell I might have missed the point myself. But what I was saying is that I think sometimes, you all cause the problems you are trying to fix.

We do. I said that a lot of it comes with how you approach us, which is correct. If you're super fidgety and nervous we get nervous. What I probably should have said is if there's mutual respect between both parties involved, it removes a lot of the extra B.S.