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Old 06-12-2016, 11:32 AM   #1941 (permalink)
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I don't know what Romney's doing politically these days, so for all I know he's pandering to some constituents he's courting. But on the surface it sounds like now that he's not running for president he's being more honest with his opinions, and he is a republican from Massachusetts.

As far as I'm concerned Mitt Romney might have been the best president we'd had in years. Still an insider, still wishy washy, and almost certainly corrupt (who isn't?), but I can't think of another candidate in recent memory who had a real chance of working with both parties, which is more important IMO than any other single issue right now.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:47 AM   #1942 (permalink)
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I don't know what Romney's doing politically these days, so for all I know he's pandering to some constituents he's courting. But on the surface it sounds like now that he's not running for president he's being more honest with his opinions, and he is a republican from Massachusetts.

As far as I'm concerned Mitt Romney might have been the best president we'd had in years. Still an insider, still wishy washy, and almost certainly corrupt (who isn't?), but I can't think of another candidate in recent memory who had a real chance of working with both parties, which is more important IMO than any other single issue right now.
McCain and Sanders worked on Veteran's bill together.

The Republicans make it hard though. Boehner (not a candidate) was more moderate than most and it seemed to be his willingness to compromise with Democrats that caused him to have to step down as speaker.
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I don't know what Romney's doing politically these days.
Nothing. He's pretty much retired from political life except as a talking head because of his 2012 run.

Remembering Romney's stand on the issues I don't think he would have been good at all. Not to mention we would have had a republican president along with a republican led house and senate.

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- Pushed to maintain Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.
- Would have repealed the affordable care act.
- Was opposed to same sex marriage.
- Would ban all abortions except for rape and incest.
- Wanted to repeal the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.
- Opposed the DREAM act.
- Was against ending combat actions in Iraq.
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Re: Romney appealing ACA. Romney (and republicans) had their own plan to help the burden of medicare/caid. It was called romneycare at the time and was being used at the state level where he governed.

Dodd-Frank is pretty much worthless. The banks need to be broken up. Policies and laws are easy to hack when you can afford a team of attorneys to work with the team writing your trading algorithms.

He wasn't as hard against abortion as the media made out either.
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This chart from JP Morgan shows financial sector leverage over the past few decades. As you can see, leverage skyrocketed during the Bush era, which contributed to the 2008 financial meltdown, and then plummeted shortly thereafter. Then it flattened out for a couple of years, and under normal circumstances it probably would have started to climb again when the economy began to recover. Two things stopped it: Dodd-Frank and Basel III, both of which mandated higher capital requirements and thus lower overall leverage levels. This has reduced Wall Street profits but made the banking system safer for everyone.

In other words: financial regulation FTW. Nothing is perfect, and Wall Street is doing everything it can to undermine Dodd-Frank during the rulemaking process, but if it accomplishes nothing except encouraging less leverage it will have done its most important job.
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McCain and Sanders worked on Veteran's bill together.

The Republicans make it hard though. Boehner (not a candidate) was more moderate than most and it seemed to be his willingness to compromise with Democrats that caused him to have to step down as speaker.
I can respect McCain's earlier work, but by the time he was running for president he had become more hardline, and I don't think it was entirely to pander to the republican base, such as his seemingly casual approach to military intervention.

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Nothing. He's pretty much retired from political life except as a talking head because of his 2012 run.
What I figured. Running for president is generally the end of one's political career, whether you win or lose.

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Remembering Romney's stand on the issues I don't think he would have been good at all. Not to mention we would have had a republican president along with a republican led house and senate.

Romney:
- Pushed to maintain Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.
- Would have repealed the affordable care act.
- Was opposed to same sex marriage.
- Would ban all abortions except for rape and incest.
- Wanted to repeal the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.
- Opposed the DREAM act.
- Was against ending combat actions in Iraq.
That was election talk. He was definitely way more moderate than he came across during his run for president, so you can't really use his talking points from back then as proof of what he would have done in office.
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That was election talk. He was definitely way more moderate than he came across during his run for president, so you can't really use his talking points from back then as proof of what he would have done in office.
Agreed. But with a majority in both the house and senate I think he would have been pushed to be more right than if there was better legislative balance in Washington.

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Agreed. But with a majority in both the house and senate I think he would have been pushed to be more right than if their was better legislative balance in Washington.
Fair point, but I think he at least had the experience both in years and in dealing with democrats to have been able to actually work with them without alienating them. Even one presidency where every month wasn't some new fight between the executive and the opposing party might do wonders for our political climate. Maybe.
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So, does this Orlando massacre push more voters towards Trump?
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Dumb reactionary honkies were already on his side, so not many.
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