donald trump 4 prez

Key · 08-13-2016, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Another cop out Ki?

I'm not copping out. I'm just not going to continue to argue with someone that obviously has a crush on Clinton. We'll just keep going around in circles, and i'm not really in the mood for that. You are obviously set in your ways, and I don't feel like going deeper to understand it.

Chula Vista · 08-13-2016, 12:53 PM

For the 18th time I don't have a crush on anyone. Stop using that as an easy out. She's simply more qualified, that's all.

The Batlord · 08-13-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Don't be so naive. How many presidential elections have you paid really close attention to to understand how third party candidates fare on election day? This is my tenth.

The only two real viable third party candidates have been Ross Perot and Ralph Nadar. In 1992 Perot actually got about 18% of the general election vote but not a single electoral vote. And Nadar pretty much gave Bush the win in 2000. Bush beat Gore by only 537 votes in Florida. Nadar got over 19,000 votes there. The vast majority of his voters said they'd have voted for Gore if Nadar hadn't run.

So ya, either throw away your vote or tilt the odds a bit more in Trumps favor.

Why keep propping up a system that doesn't work? What are you gaining in the long term? You want better things for you and your kids? What about your grandkids? Or your great grandkids? Cause they're going to have to live in the declining America you're creating with your lesser of two evils.

djchameleon · 08-13-2016, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

You're telling me to be realistic, but then you're telling me not to stick to my guns when it comes to conscientiously choosing who I vote for. Realistically, we're all ****ed either way, but I'm not going to bend over backwards and let it happen if I have the choice to be a part of a change. The people who are voting for one of two evils are just too lazy or ignorant to try to change the rules. This election isn't like an election that we've seen in the past where one person was the obvious choice. Both choices we have here are both terrible choices, so why not try to go for someone that is worth putting my vote for, i.e. Gary Johnson. And don't give me the "he's not part of your beliefs" bull****. I've looked into him, and I'll be damned if I don't vote on him especially with the credentials he has under his belt. Again, I stress that I'm not going to just bend over and take it in the ass by voting for Hillary or Trump, I'm at least going to try to accomplish something with my vote.

Oh okay that's good that you know about the third party candidates. I wasn't going to say anything about he's not part of your beliefs. I don't even know where you got that from. It's good that you have educated yourself on him. I was thinking about voting for Jill Stein but I heard she was an anti Vaxxer and I was like hell nope. I can't support her. I need to look into it though because there is evidence saying that she isn't an anti Vaxxer and someone took her out of context. Non of this even matters though, especially if you don't live in a swing state. Your state is already spoken for and Hillary already has it on lock but if it makes you feel better go ahead and vote for Gary.

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

If you seriously think trump wasn't traveling the globe meeting other leaders of industry then you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yeah, Trump was in the UK immediately after Brexit passed well for two reasons, he has some sort of golf course he's building there and to show support for all the xenophobes in another country.

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Originally Posted by Goofle

I hang out with Asians because I wanna keep check on them. The boot works better in close proximity.

This joke is over my head. You are going to have to explain or not. Up to you.

Key · 08-13-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Oh okay that's good that you know about the third party candidates. I wasn't going to say anything about he's not part of your beliefs. I don't even know where you got that from. It's good that you have educated yourself on him. I was thinking about voting for Jill Stein but I heard she was an anti Vaxxer and I was like hell nope. I can't support her. I need to look into it though because there is evidence saying that she isn't an anti Vaxxer and someone took her out of context. Non of this even matters though, especially if you don't live in a swing state. Your state is already spoken for and Hillary already has it on lock but if it makes you feel better go ahead and vote for Gary.

I got a little heated in my previous response, so I apologize if it came off that way. However, I do know that the majority of the votes especially on the west coast are swinging towards Hillary to keep Trump out of office, and that I can respect. However, me personally, even if it doesn't change anything, I still want to put my vote towards something that I'd be happy with. I fully understand that it could have no effect on the deciding factor, however, there's always a small chance that it could. I mean, I haven't looked at the current ratings for his potential to be included in the debates, but I would really like to see him at least get a chance at it. It would certainly make this election a bit more interesting. But, I do agree with most of your points and I can't dismiss the fact that Hillary will most likely be in office. It's more for my personal taste as to where I want my vote to go.

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2016, 04:29 PM

Everybody always tells me I'm trying to be edgy, no, I'm not trying to be anything I'm just being myself and I hate Americans including myself.

And you can't deny the sad fact that our country is dumb as ****. People still think Obama is trying to take our guns when he's been pro guns, he's gotten **** in the 2012 elections from the rest of the democratic party for it. Now people think Liberals are going to take our guns which is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Oh, and lets not forget the chunk of the population that believes that we are controlled by lizard people. Also the people that think the earth is flat. That's a combination between people being ****ing stupid and a lack of transparency in government. And the people that claim every tragedy is being used by the media to distract us from the real issues but those same people only talk about the issues that don't matter. Gun control, abortion, border control, gay marriage yet never talk about things like the transpacific partnership. People in this country struggle with the GED test. There are people that cry tears of joy when passing the GED. We let SLC Punk 2 happen, this is a dumbass country.

Also, there has never been a time where the electoral college has voted drastically different from the popular vote. Only two times in history has the electoral college voted against the popular vote. Can't remember the first president but the second one was Bush. With the Bush election it was very close. Electoral college voted slightly more for Bush, popular vote was slightly more for the other guy. Bush won. If there was ever a land slide vote for one guy and the electoral college land slided in the opposite direction the public will probably freak out. Then again, the chances of that happening are very low because the electoral college tries to vote with the popular vote to keep them happy since a lot of people in the electoral college are people that are still campaigning for their own elections including future presidential so they want to keep the population on their side.

djchameleon · 08-13-2016, 04:49 PM

Why does everyone keep slagging off SLC Punk 2? I haven't seen the first one or it's been a super long time since I did see it. It seems like people are putting the original up on some holy grail pedestal.

I agree with your post btw Lucem.

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2016, 05:12 PM

It's not that the first movie was some extremely untouchable awesome ****, I thought it was really good, but not holy grail pedestal deserving.

SLC Punk is about how this hardcore punk rocker kind of grows out of the scene. It was comparable to Kids because it was a raw look at the culture.

SLC Punk 2 is about one of the original character's kids dealing with a break up. It's comparable to a half assed version of that road trip movie where the virgin hooks up with his best friend if it were directed by Nickelodeon.

Chula Vista · 08-13-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why keep propping up a system that doesn't work? What are you gaining in the long term? You want better things for you and your kids? What about your grandkids? Or your great grandkids? Cause they're going to have to live in the declining America you're creating with your lesser of two evils.

I'm creating???? Are you ****ing serious? For the millionth time. I normally vote democrat for these reasons, among others:

- Women's rights. The GOP is always wanting to restrict them.
- Pro-choice. We all know that the GOP wants to repeal Roe v Wade.
- Fair taxes.
- Wall Street and banking regulation so we don't have another meltdown like 2007.
- Separation of church and state. Most GOP members want the bible force fed down our throats.
- The environment. Big business buys the GOP so they'll deregulate to increase profits.
- Employee safety. Same as above.
- Universal health care. If Trump gets elected first thing he'll try to do is take away my son's insurance.

And on and on.

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I'm creating???? Are you ****ing serious? For the millionth time. I normally vote democrat for these reasons, among others:

- Women's rights. The GOP is always wanting to restrict them.
- Pro-choice. We all know that the GOP wants to repeal Roe v Wade.
- Fair taxes.
- Wall Street and banking regulation so we don't have another meltdown like 2007.
- Separation of church and state. Most GOP members want the bible force fed down our throats.
- The environment. Big business buys the GOP so they'll deregulate to increase profits.
- Employee safety. Same as above.
- Universal health care. If Trump gets elected first thing he'll try to do is take away my son's insurance.

And on and on.

Trump is for universal health care.

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08-13-2016, 12:53 PM	#2472 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	For the 18th time I don't have a crush on anyone. Stop using that as an easy out. She's simply more qualified, that's all. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

08-13-2016, 04:29 PM	#2476 (permalink)
Lucem Ferre Cuter Than Post Malone. Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 4,978	Everybody always tells me I'm trying to be edgy, no, I'm not trying to be anything I'm just being myself and I hate Americans including myself. And you can't deny the sad fact that our country is dumb as **. People still think Obama is trying to take our guns when he's been pro guns, he's gotten in the 2012 elections from the rest of the democratic party for it. Now people think Liberals are going to take our guns which is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Oh, and lets not forget the chunk of the population that believes that we are controlled by lizard people. Also the people that think the earth is flat. That's a combination between people being *ing stupid and a lack of transparency in government. And the people that claim every tragedy is being used by the media to distract us from the real issues but those same people only talk about the issues that don't matter. Gun control, abortion, border control, gay marriage yet never talk about things like the transpacific partnership. People in this country struggle with the GED test. There are people that cry tears of joy when passing the GED. We let SLC Punk 2 happen, this is a dumbass country. Also, there has never been a time where the electoral college has voted drastically different from the popular vote. Only two times in history has the electoral college voted against the popular vote. Can't remember the first president but the second one was Bush. With the Bush election it was very close. Electoral college voted slightly more for Bush, popular vote was slightly more for the other guy. Bush won. If there was ever a land slide vote for one guy and the electoral college land slided in the opposite direction the public will probably freak out. Then again, the chances of that happening are very low because the electoral college tries to vote with the popular vote to keep them happy since a lot of people in the electoral college are people that are still campaigning for their own elections including future presidential so they want to keep the population on their side. Last edited by Lucem Ferre; 08-13-2016 at 04:32 PM. Reason: voices in my head*

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08-13-2016, 05:12 PM	#2478 (permalink)
Lucem Ferre Cuter Than Post Malone. Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 4,978	It's not that the first movie was some extremely untouchable awesome ****, I thought it was really good, but not holy grail pedestal deserving. SLC Punk is about how this hardcore punk rocker kind of grows out of the scene. It was comparable to Kids because it was a raw look at the culture. SLC Punk 2 is about one of the original character's kids dealing with a break up. It's comparable to a half assed version of that road trip movie where the virgin hooks up with his best friend if it were directed by Nickelodeon.