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Old 07-20-2015, 12:43 PM   #271 (permalink)
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JWB's starting to sound incoherent.
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Old 07-20-2015, 12:48 PM   #272 (permalink)
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They've been speaking out non-stop for eons. They don't need "a time".
of course the progressive narrative is that they're dumb for not competing for the hispanic vote an instead exploiting xenophobic/nationalist sentiments.. because that is the agenda progressives/liberals have and so it is a useful piece of rhetoric to criticize your opponents for not complying with your ideological agenda.

but consider the idea that maybe their stance on this issue is important to them. perhaps, even politically necessary for them, pragmatically speaking. because reversing their image overnight doesn't seem plausible to them. if that is the case, then they would be correct in trying to act now, in my opinion. because it's basically now or never.

disclaimer: i am not endorsing their opinion on immigration. i regard it as important for the sake of our economy that we not revert to isolationism just to preserve the current political demographics. but politicians on both sides seek to shape the demographic boundaries of their districts in their favor... and i would say that it's strategically sound for them to do so.
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of course the progressive narrative is that they're dumb for not competing for the hispanic vote an instead exploiting xenophobic/nationalist sentiments.. because that is the agenda progressives/liberals have and so it is a useful piece of rhetoric to criticize your opponents for not complying with your ideological agenda. but consider the idea that maybe their stance on this issue is important to them. perhaps, even politically necessary for them, pragmatically speaking. because reversing their image overnight doesn't seem plausible to them. if that is the case, then they would be correct in trying to act now, in my opinion. because it's basically now or never.
Dude. Talk about a run on sentence.
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I think that these two are well worded and go against Trump's comments. If most of them were criminals, why would people want them to become citizens?

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Dude. Talk about a run on sentence.
hey chula... it seems you would like my attention. maybe you should try telling me specifically what you don't understand about what i'm saying.
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hey chula... it seems you would like my attention. maybe you should try telling me specifically what you don't understand about what i'm saying.
If chula doesn't understand it, it must be a logical line of thinking.
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I think that these two are well worded and go against Trump's comments. If most of them were criminals, why would people want them to become citizens?

did trump say most illegal immigrants are criminals? i'm not being rhetorical, i'm asking.

because my understanding is he was saying a lot of criminals are coming in because the borders aren't well secured.. not most immigrants are criminals. i have to go but i'll be back later to discuss this more.
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hey chula... it seems you would like my attention. maybe you should try telling me specifically what you don't understand about what i'm saying.
Never said I didn't understand it. But your current rambling style is just kinda funny.

Carry on JWB. Carry on.
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did trump say most illegal immigrants are criminals? i'm not being rhetorical, i'm asking.

because my understanding is he was saying a lot of criminals are coming in because the borders aren't well secured.. not most immigrants are criminals. i have to go but i'll be back later to discuss this more.
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people."

Ja, definitely painting with far too wide of a brush there.
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it seems like what trump is implying to me is that the situation in mexico is out of control, in regard to the cartels and all that, and so that the mexican govt is so weak in terms of being able to crack down on the cartels or in some cases even avoid being infiltrated/coopted by criminal elements that they are applying pressure on what they consider undesirables to self-deport themselves to the united states.

i'm not saying that's true or credible, either. but i don't think it's the same as saying that most existing immigrants are rapists etc. i think that is part of the semantic spin that the media uses to discredit a candidate that is promoting something that goes against their particular agenda.
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