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Old 10-09-2016, 01:19 PM   #3371 (permalink)
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Try to further yourself rather than needing other folks to talk like high school dropouts just so you don't feel insecure.
This comment speaks volumes.
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That's dumb and you're starting to sound like Chula. You don't tell another human being that they have their job cause they're pretty.
What would that have to do with whether it's misogynistic?
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I question just how many girls you actually pull, or at least how many of them have daddy issues.
That I'm arguing that it's not misogynistic has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's something I would say to someone.
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I might not be totally on the side of the "Trump Is a Racist" group, but I def think he's a sexist.
Maybe he is, but could we at least see something that would count as evidence of that? Him having a sexual appetite, him making the comment you're talking about to one reporter, etc. isn't evidence of him being sexist unless we're redefining sexism in some unusual way.
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What would that have to do with whether it's misogynistic?That I'm arguing that it's not misogynistic has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's something I would say to someone.Maybe he is, but could we at least see something that would count as evidence of that? Him having a sexual appetite, him making the comment you're talking about to one reporter, etc. isn't evidence of him being sexist unless we're redefining sexism in some unusual way.
I'm done in this thread for a while.
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MISOGYNY 101

1990: When he belittled his wife

In an interview with Vanity Fair, while he was still married to Ivana, Trump said:

“I would never buy Ivana any decent jewels or pictures. Why give her negotiable assets?”

1991: When he called women ‘beautiful pieces of ass’

Back when George HW Bush was US President, Trump spoke to Esquire magazine about the media: "You know, it doesn't really matter what [they] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."

He is currently married to 45-year old former supermodel Melania.

1997: When he said all women are gold diggers

From seminal tome Trump: The Art of the Comeback on prenuptial agreements:

“There are basically three types of women and reactions. One is the good woman who very much loves her future husband, solely for himself, but refuses to sign the agreement on principle. I fully understand this, but the man should take a pass anyway and find someone else. The other is the calculating woman who refuses to sign the prenuptial agreement because she is expecting to take advantage of the poor, unsuspecting sucker she’s got in her grasp. There is also the woman who will openly and quickly sign a prenuptial agreement in order to make a quick hit and take the money given to her.”

2004: When he said he was irresistible to women

Back in 2004, Trump told the Daily News: "All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected."

2005: When he told a woman she’d ‘make a great wife’

According to one woman who appeared on the show, Trump told her: “I bet you make a great wife."

The comment never aired on TV. Can’t imagine why - standard job interview stuff, right?

March 7, 2006: When he cracked an incest gag

According to ABC News, Trump said: “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

A spokesman later said it was a "joke".

2006: When he slagged off Rosie O’Donnell - part one

It’s no secret that there’s no love lost between Trump and comedian O’Donnell. Perhaps his most notorious rant against her came on American TV show Entertainment Tonight in 2006, when he said: “Rosie O'Donnell is disgusting, both inside and out. If you take a look at her, she's a slob. How does she even get on television? If I were running The View, I'd fire Rosie. I'd look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers and say, 'Rosie, you're fired.'

"We're all a little chubby but Rosie's just worse than most of us. But it's not the chubbiness - Rosie is a very unattractive person, both inside and out."

He also made a jibe at her love life and managed to offend the LGBT community at the same time: "Rosie's a person who's very lucky to have her girlfriend. And she better be careful or I'll send one of my friends over to pick up her girlfriend, why would she stay with Rosie if she had another choice?"

2007: When he compared women to architecture

This appears in his bible of business wisdom Trump 101: The Way to Success:

"Beauty and elegance, whether in a woman, a building, or a work of art, is not just superficial or something pretty to see."

At least our beauty isn’t superficial, eh ladies?

2007: When he called Angelina ‘not beautiful’

On Larry King’s CNN show, Trump addressed Jolie’s falling out with her father Jon Voight, saying:

“I really understand beauty. And I will tell you, she's not - I do own Miss Universe. I do own Miss USA. I mean I own a lot of different things. I do understand beauty, and she's not."

June 2007: When he pitched ‘Lady or a Tramp?’

Yes, really. This was reported to be a reality show, in which ‘"out of control" party girls were sent to charm school to learn some manners. Because, God forbid a woman should be anything but demure.

Tragically, it was never made.

2008: When he called Anne Hathaway a gold digger

When the actress's marriage broke up, following her husband Raffello Follieri’s financial and legal troubles, Trump told Access Hollywood:

"So when he had plenty of money, she liked him. But then after that, not as good, right?

2009: ‘The Trump rule’

Beauty queen Carrie Prejean wrote about the ‘Trump rule’ in her book, referring to the Miss USA pageant, of which Trump was co-owner. She claimed that the billionaire had the girls parade in front of him so he could separate those he found attractive from those he didn’t.

She wrote: “Many of the girls found this exercise humiliating. Some of the girls were sobbing backstage after [he] left, devastated to have failed even before the competition really began . . . it was as though we had been stripped bare.”

November, 2010: When he asked men to rate women

According to a report in the New York Post, former female contestants on the show complained that Trump consistently objectified women.

Mahsa Saeidi-Azcuy claimed: “So much of the boardroom discussion concerned the appearance of the female contestant - discussing the female contestants' looks - who he found to be hot.

“He asked the men to rate the women - he went down the line and asked the guys, ‘Who’s the most beautiful on the women’s team?’"

Gene Folkes, a 46-year-old financial adviser, said: “I think it was most uncomfortable when he had one [female] contestant come around the board table and twirl around.”

2011: When he called breastfeeding 'disgusting’

Trump was in court testifying in a deposition over a failed Florida real estate project when lawyer Elizabeth Beck asked to take a break to breastfeed her three-month old daughter.

Trump and his team objected, so she pulled out her breast pump to prove it. In an incident that the Republican presidential candidate "does not dispute", he walked out of the room, telling Beck she was "disgusting".

2011: When he called a female journalist a ‘dog’

After New York Times columnist Gail Collins wrote about rumours of Trump’s bankruptcy, he sent her a copy of her own article, with her picture circled and "the face of a dog!" scrawled across it.

April 3, 2012: When he joked about his penis

In 2012, transgender Miss Universe contestant Jenna Talackova was kicked out of the contest for not having declared her trans status in her entry (the pageant does now accept trans people). Talackova’s lawyer, Gloria Allred, angrily said that no one had asked Trump to "prove" he was a man by showing his anatomy.

In response, Trump called in to TMZ Live and said of his penis: “I think Gloria would be very impressed."

May 11, 2012: When he criticised Cher

In 2012, the singer criticised Trump’s friend and right-wing politician Mitt Romney. His response? To attack her appearance, of course.

August 28, 2012: When he insulted Arianna Huffington

Huffington Post editor and co-founder Arianna Huffington is a regular target of Trump’s. But instead of attacking her liberal views, he tends to criticise her looks and make jokes about her divorce.

March 3, 2013 : When he made an oral sex joke

Former Playboy playmate Brande Roderick was a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice in the US. During a tense boardroom battle, she knelt in front of Trump – who takes the Alan Sugar role – to ask him whether she could be the next project manager.

After a six-second silence (an eternity on TV), during which Trump presumably willed some blood to return to his head, he said: “It must be a pretty picture. You dropping to your knee."

Because isn’t that a woman’s place in the boardroom – on her knees?

May 7, 2013: When he blamed sex assault on cohabitation

Rather than, say, questioning why so many assaults go unreported or why so few perpetrators are brought to justice. Nope, it must be down to the fact that women and men just can’t share the same living quarters.

2015: When he did a u-turn on abortion

Having previously supported the pro-choice lobby, Trump has now changed his stance on abortion to fit in with the Republican party.

He’s also said he’d be willing to shut down the US government to defund non-profit reproductive health organisation Planned Parenthood.

April 16, 2015: When he said Hillary couldn’t ‘satisfy’

…and therefore couldn’t satisfy America, in a thinly veiled reference to Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Where most of Trump’s sexist tweets remain, this one has mysteriously disappeared from the social media site. His office said one of the 10 staff who runs his Twitter account was responsible.

"If Hillary can't satisfy her husband, what makes her think she can satisfy America?"

August 8, 2015: When he used the word 'bimbo'

Journalist Megyn Kelly recently hosted the first Republican debate of the US presidential campaign and gave Trump a tough time over previous accusations of sexism against him (really, we can’t imagine why).

After the debate, Trump responded by seeming to call her a "bimbo" on Twitter.

August 16, 2015: When he called Heidi Klum fat

In an interview with the New York Times, Trump said of the German supermodel: “Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

September 9, 2015: When he insulted Carly Fiorina

Carly Fiorina is the former Hewlett-Packard boss and Trump’s Republican candidate rival. According to Rolling Stone magazine, he said: "Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that?

"Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

November 10, 2015: When he insulted Fiorina - part two

Trump singled out his female Republican rival for a dressing down, ignoring the fact that his male counterparts were also talking over one another.

March 30, 2016: When he said abortion was 'punishable'

Trump caused mass outage after advocating "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions if the practice is banned (which it likely will be if he gets his way).

The Republican front-runner said he has "evolved" on the issue of abortion. He was pro-choice for years before changing his position and backing a ban.

He believes the Supreme Court ruling legalising abortion should be overturned and that individual states should be allowed to ban it. His campaign said he believes abortion should be legal only in instances of rape, incest or when the life of the mother was at stake.

"There has to be some form of punishment," he told MSNBC, referring to women who would seek to defy the ban.

May 8, 2016: When he called Clinton an 'enabler'

After Clinton criticised his stance his stance on women's issues, Trump hit back the only way he knows how: by accusing her of being an “enabler” of her husband's affairs by destroying the lives of his mistresses.

At a rally, he said: “Bill Clinton was the worst in history and I have to listen to her talking about it?" he said in Eugene, Oregon. “Just remember this: She was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler.

May 18, 2016: When he 'apologised' to Megyn Kelly

Nine months after suggesting Fox presenter Megyn Kelly was menstruating after she took him to task over previous sexist comments, the Republican candidate apologised. Or tried to. When asked about calling Kelly a "bimbo", Trump replied: "Did I say that? Excuse me."

But he couldn't resist adding another jibe: "Over your life, Megyn, you've been called a lot worse, wouldn't you say?"
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MISOGYNY 101

1990: When he belittled his wife

In an interview with Vanity Fair, while he was still married to Ivana, Trump said:

“I would never buy Ivana any decent jewels or pictures. Why give her negotiable assets?”
What is the definition of "misogyny" that you're using there, so that that qualifies as misogyny? (I'm just asking for the first example to start, rather than asking for every example--maybe you have a definition you're using where it would fit each of those examples. In any event, what is the definition you're using that fits that example?)
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So you're not able to articulate the definition of misogyny that you're using?
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I read over those and I didn't see very many that fit the definition of misogynistic. Horrible? Sure. But not misogynistic. I'm not a Trump supporter, but it's weird to me that when he makes an offensive statement people still seem to be outraged. Is it not obvious that's what he does? You're just playing into the game by dignifying it was such a heavy response and giving him in the attention.
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I read over those and I didn't see very many that fit the definition of misogynistic. Horrible? Sure. But not misogynistic. I'm not a Trump supporter, but it's weird to me that when he makes an offensive statement people still seem to be outraged. Is it not obvious that's what he does? You're just playing into the game by dignifying it was such a heavy response and giving him in the attention.
Except he has a history of sexist remarks from before the election, so the only conclusion is that that's just what he thinks.
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