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Old 11-14-2016, 06:21 PM   #4281 (permalink)
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Can somebody explain to me why global warming is actually a big deal? We all know it's overstated, and the goalposts have been changed quite substantially over time. Comes across as a clear excuse to further tax the public under the pretense of "saving the planet" (as if any of these politicians care about that ).
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Libertarians don't argue against civil rights. Libertarianism is about complete independence for the individual, so I'm not sure where you get that from. Absolute mental gymnastics being performed.
Libertarians also don't argue for civil rights, despite the fact that they should support them as much as any liberal, because they are actually Republicans who could give a **** about gay/women's/minority rights. Modern libertarianism is a ****ing joke.
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Irrelevant given the reality of modern libertarianism.
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So, Trump turns over all of his business dealings to his kids (Can you say puppet master) and now he's requesting top level security clearances for all of them.....

I didn't expect things to go so Twilight Zone so quickly.

And Goofle, re: Global Warming, really? What the **** has happened to you over the course of the last year? At this point you and my younger sister would get on great together.

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American Association for the Advancement of Science, 2006: "The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific consensus represented by, for example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the Joint National Academies' statement."

US National Academy of Sciences: "In the judgment of most climate scientists, Earth’s warming in recent decades has been caused primarily by human activities that have increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. ... On climate change, [the National Academies’ reports] have assessed consensus findings on the science..."

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American Meteorological Society, 2003: "The nature of science is such that there is rarely total agreement among scientists. Individual scientific statements and papers—the validity of some of which has yet to be assessed adequately—can be exploited in the policy debate and can leave the impression that the scientific community is sharply divided on issues where there is, in reality, a strong scientific consensus.... IPCC assessment reports are prepared at approximately five-year intervals by a large international group of experts who represent the broad range of expertise and perspectives relevant to the issues. The reports strive to reflect a consensus evaluation of the results of the full body of peer-reviewed research.... They provide an analysis of what is known and not known, the degree of consensus, and some indication of the degree of confidence that can be placed on the various statements and conclusions."

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Irrelevant given the reality of modern libertarianism.
There's a difference between saying "I will vote for Gary Johnson and support the current Libertarian leaders" and "I believe in Libertarian values". So make that distinction. Just like I make the distinction between the dictionary definition of Feminism, and what Feminists do.

Also there's plenty of people who counter the global warming/climate change agenda. I personally don't have much of an opinion of it other than the clear moving of goalposts and false prediction.

My argument was against using the idea of climate change to increase taxes.
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Yeah, Gary sucks. I would have voted for him, but he sucks.
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ugh, fuck voting for Gary when there was a legitimate small government guy on the ballot. He won by the way.
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ugh, fuck voting for Gary when there was a legitimate small government guy on the ballot. He won by the way.
listen we can both rejoice over the wicked witch getting water dumped on her head, at Chula's expense I guess.
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Also there's plenty of people who counter the global warming/climate change agenda. I personally don't have much of an opinion of it other than the clear moving of goalposts and false prediction.

My argument was against using the idea of climate change to increase taxes.
I wasn't talking about politicians. Every libertarian I've ever met has been a hypocrite who talked about freedom of choice but only cared about economics.
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